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I was ecstatic last year when we announced the new coaching staff after watching years of having "staff consistency" with the good ole boys since the MNC in 1998. I thought that Quitfin brought coaches in that had excellent coaching ability, methods, and experience. And the ties to the great programs and NFL were bonuses for our program.

Several players made some money due to the fact that we had enough guts to go out and get some real coaches. Specifically, Crompton, Hardesty, and Dan Williams.

But as excited as I was last year about our coaching upgrades, I am even more excited about next year. Here are what I perceive as upgrades over this last year.

1. We hired a special teams coach after having 2 head coaches that were totally ignorant about special teams and showed it.

2. Defensive coordinator- As Majors often said that "the proof is in the pudding." This guy has stopped some very notable offenses. He knows how to counter the spread which has been such a mystery to our two former staffs. CMK is still trying to figure out if Dexter McClester was a comet or just a shooting star. And Chavis will always be known as Mr. 3rd and 18 against Wyoming.

3. Chuck Smith as DL coach is an upgrade over CEO. if everything was even you still have to consider character as a plus.

4. OL coach from the Bears is probably about even with the previous coaching staff (Cregg) and seeing how he developed talent at Illinois he is probably better than what we have had in previous years (Jimmy Ray Stepens and Greg Atkins).

5. WR coach. Major upgrade over Wilson and we hopefully get a chance to forget that our recent tradition at WR was Trooper and Pat Washington.

And we may have had an improvement in OC through attrition since our OC will be able to run his own offense and not act like he is playing Playstation.

I am sure that there are other pluses, but I have yet to see where we have actually lost any ground with this change with the exception of the recruiting losses and we were able to stabilize a very ugly situation there with a credible personality leading the program.
 
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I wouldn't trade this staff for the last one given the chance. Dooley did an excellent job given the circumstances.
 
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There is an apparent improvement in the integrity and character of our coaching staff. If anyone is suspect, in my opinion it would be those with early ties to a certain program in the PAC 10. Hopefully that will be neither a distraction nor an issue.
 
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This staff doesn't have the big name (Monte), but all in all I am very pleased with it. I hope the nucleus of it can stay together a few years.

I was a bit leery over Hinshaw and Jospeh, but I think they will more than be made up for with the others brought on board.
 
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1. Great to have a true special teams coach. Our punting, kicking, and protection units were very good over the years; our return units were the weak point.

2. Defensive coordinator. Chavis was a very good DC and Monte was excellent against pro-style offenses, but I believe Wilcox is a one-of-kind coaching mind.

3. Smith continues the tradition of excellent DL coaches.

4. OL coach from the Bears is WAY better than Cregg. Cregg isn't even in the same territory.

5. WR coach. Excellent hire.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
This staff doesn't have the big name (Monte), but all in all I am very pleased with it. I hope the nucleus of it can stay together a few years.

I was a bit leery over Hinshaw and Jospeh, but I think they will more than be made up for with the others brought on board.
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As smart as Dooley seems to be and meticulous when it comes to choosing coaches, I trust the guys he chose to bring with him.
 
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Agree with everything except as bad as all of Volnation and I hate his guts, CEO was a great d-line coach and a great recruiter. I wouldn't say Chuck Smith has him beat in anything on the field, just integrity off the field.
 
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I'm sorry but CEO is one of the best d line coaches in the country, not to mention his recruiting abilities. Take off the glasses
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Y'all are nuts if you would take this staff over the previous. Absolutely nuts. Baggett is the only clear upgrade.
 
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At first, I was leery about this staff, not because of name so much but because of little experience at the SEC level. However, the more I see and hear Dooley, the more I have grown to like and trust him. I really love the Chuck Smith hire(finally:yahoo:) because of his passion for the Orange, something that you just can't quantify. Baggett's been a surprising hire(he did come from one of the worst offensive teams in the NFL) despite his qualifications. Plus, I love the retention of Thompson and Chaney, who can now be an offensive coordinator and not just a figure head to the HC. This staff is solid, that much is for sure. Most of all, I'm thankful for the integrity it seems this staff has, something that just can't be appreciated enough. However, no matter what we think about CDD, the results on the field in 3 or 4 years will be what matters. But we have to be patient, it will take time for this staff to truly get it done.
 
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yes, rating them coach to coach, here is what I get:

1. Dooley vs. X = push (neither has coached long enough to prove themselves, yet)
2. Chaney vs. Chaney = equal, I think :eek:lol:
3. Baggett vs. Wilson = :eek:lol:
4. Hiestand vs. Cregg = :eek:lol:
5. RB coach (who is it) vs. Gran = Gran
6. Russell vs. Gran = Russell (gran terrible sp. teams, IMO)
6. Wilcox vs. Monte = Monte (name and experience)
7. Smith vs. O = O (name plus recruting)
8. Joseph vs. Garza = push (both still proving themselves, IMO)
9. Hinshaw vs. Reeves = push (still proving themselves, IMO)
10. Thompson vs. Thompson = equal, I think :eek:lol:

At least half of this staff has coached in the NFL......
So, all in all, to me it looks like an even staff, give or take a little.....considering that the last staff was supposed to be the "Dream" staff and the "best staff in america", then we should all be very pleased with this staff as long as they recruit really hard like the previous staff......definiitely a HUGE upgrade over Fulmer's last staff, IMO........
 
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Volfan8282 said:
It doesn't mean that I'm not pulling for them genius. But, there's no way that this staff is an upgrade or on the same level.
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What makes last years staff sooo much better then, Excellent post by Tabrams. If you say Monte, I ask you to go back and watch every game we played a spread style offense. Great looking defense on the field. Then I'll ask you to watch Oregon destroy USC next year.
 
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Vols033 said:
What makes last years staff sooo much better then, Excellent post by Tabrams. If you say Monte, I ask you to go back and watch every game we played a spread style offense. Great looking defense on the field. Then I'll ask you to watch Oregon destroy USC next year.
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Clueless. I'm not upset with the hires by the way. I think they all have potential, especially Wilcox. But there's no way that I wouldn't take Monte, Gran, O, and probably Cregg and Garza. Baggett is an upgrade like I said earlier.
 
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It doesn't matter how well they look on paper if they cannot coach together. The result will not be known till the season is 1/2 over next year.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Clueless. I'm not upset with the hires by the way. I think they all have potential, especially Wilcox. But there's no way that I wouldn't take Monte, Gran, O, and probably Cregg and Garza. Baggett is an upgrade like I said earlier.
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Gran was terrible at special teams, Monte was horrific against the wildcat, the spread (except UF), and against the run at times, Cregg is not half as experienced at Hiestand, and O is a crook.....other than that, I agree with you!! :eek:lol:
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Clueless. I'm not upset with the hires by the way. I think they all have potential, especially Wilcox. But there's no way that I wouldn't take Monte, Gran, O, and probably Cregg and Garza. Baggett is an upgrade like I said earlier.
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Considering the lack of integrity of the former staff and the huge number of people and coaches that did not like the way things were being run, I like what we have now.

The first time I heard that rap songs were being played at practice, I cringed.

In terms of sheer coaching talent, you are right, but for the long-term health of the program we are in much better hands.
 
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tabrams said:
Gran was terrible at special teams, Monte was horrific against the wildcat, the spread (except UF), and against the run at times, Cregg is not half as experienced at Hiestand, and O is a crook.....other than that, I agree with you!! :eek:lol:
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The fact that you don't see how good Cregg was as a coach and recruiter speaks volumes about this entire post. Florida is the only team that we play every year that runs a quirky offense, and we'll see how well they do without the great Tebow. Ole Miss' talent will drop off considerably in the next year or two. Malzahn will be gone from Auburn in a year or two. Those gimmick offenses will be nothing in a few years, and, on top of that, we don't play them every year. I would much rather have a DC that is stellar against a pro-style offense. Our special teams were bad last year, but I don't know how much Gran had to do with that. He had really good ST's at Auburn, so it's not a lack of coaching ability.
 
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My only fear is chaney. I hope he isnt a final bomb left in place by x. I know he really helped out with recruiting. I just hope the orange rubbed in a little more than skin deep. Time will tell. Go vols!!!!:)
 
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tabrams said:
yes, rating them coach to coach, here is what I get:

1. Dooley vs. X = push (neither has coached long enough to prove themselves, yet)
2. Chaney vs. Chaney = equal, I think :eek:lol:
3. Baggett vs. Wilson = :eek:lol:
4. Hiestand vs. Cregg = :eek:lol:
5. RB coach (who is it) vs. Gran = Gran
6. Russell vs. Gran = Russell (gran terrible sp. teams, IMO)
6. Wilcox vs. Monte = Monte (name and experience)
7. Smith vs. O = O (name plus recruting)
8. Joseph vs. Garza = push (both still proving themselves, IMO)
9. Hinshaw vs. Reeves = push (still proving themselves, IMO)
10. Thompson vs. Thompson = equal, I think :eek:lol:

At least half of this staff has coached in the NFL......
So, all in all, to me it looks like an even staff, give or take a little.....considering that the last staff was supposed to be the "Dream" staff and the "best staff in america", then we should all be very pleased with this staff as long as they recruit really hard like the previous staff......definiitely a HUGE upgrade over Fulmer's last staff, IMO........
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Volfan8282 said:
The fact that you don't see how good Cregg was as a coach and recruiter speaks volumes about this entire post. Florida is the only team that we play every year that runs a quirky offense, and we'll see how well they do without the great Tebow. Ole Miss' talent will drop off considerably in the next year or two. Malzahn will be gone from Auburn in a year or two. Those gimmick offenses will be nothing in a few years, and, on top of that, we don't play them every year. I would much rather have a DC that is stellar against a pro-style offense. Our special teams were bad last year, but I don't know how much Gran had to do with that. He had really good ST's at Auburn, so it's not a lack of coaching ability.
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Mitch Browning had as much if not more to do with success of our Oline than J Cregg ever did.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Considering the lack of integrity of the former staff and the huge number of people and coaches that did not like the way things were being run, I like what we have now.

The first time I heard that rap songs were being played at practice, I cringed.

In terms of sheer coaching talent, you are right, but for the long-term health of the program we are in much better hands.
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Haha I didn't care about the rap deal. I don't know why that matters that much. I'll take coaching talent and recruiting ability any day of the week and twice on Sunday. This staff might develop into an excellent staff, but it's not on that level right now which was my point. Saban is a notorious a-hole. Winning solves a lot of issues, and coaching ability/recruiting excellence lead to winning.
 
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