Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S.Terror Fight

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Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight

The war in Iraq has become a primary recruitment vehicle for violent Islamic extremists, motivating a new generation of potential terrorists around the world whose numbers may be increasing faster than the United States and its allies can reduce the threat, U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded.
A 30-page National Intelligence Estimate completed in April cites the "centrality" of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the insurgency that has followed, as the leading inspiration for new Islamic extremist networks and cells that are united by little more than an anti-Western agenda. It concludes that, rather than contributing to eventual victory in the global counterterrorism struggle, the situation in Iraq has worsened the U.S. position, according to officials familiar with the classified document.

To be fair and balanced, here is a debunking report.....

It's a fascinating article, and one CQ readers should read in its entirety. It makes the classic logical fallacy of confusing correlation with causation, and the basic premise can easily be dismissed with a reminder of some basic facts.

First and foremost, Islamist radicalism didn't just start expanding in 2003. The most massive expansion of Islamist radicalism came after the end of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, when the Islamists defeated one of the world's superpowers. Shortly afterwards, the staging of American forces in Saudi Arabia to drive Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait created the most significant impulse for the expansion of organized Islamist radicalism and led directly to the formation of al-Qaeda. It put the US in Wahhabi jihadist crosshairs for the first time.

So should we have allowed Saddam to invest Kuwait rather than risk amplifying the Islamist impulse? Some might argue for that in hindsight, but it would have put all of our allies and trading partners at risk in the region, as Saddam would not likely have stopped with his "19th Province". It does mean that we should have gone all the way to Baghdad then and there, removing Saddam and doing what we're doing now twelve years earlier. We could have worked with a less-radicalized Shi'ite majority and an Iraqi population more inclined to trust American resolve -- and we would have left Saudi Arabia years before 2003.

Unfortunately, we decided to allow Saddam to survive, and then got caught up in a 12-year war that only occasionally looked like peace. We had to keep tens of thousands of forces staged in Saudi Arabia, the action that prompted al-Qaeda's formation and mission in the first place, for a dozen years while we allowed Saddam to continually defy both the cease-fire agreement and sixteen UN Security Council resolutions. Either we had to acknowledge defeat in that war and retreat from the region after 9/11, or we had to end that twelve-year war in order to prosecute the war on terror in the region where terrorists lived.

Did that make Islamists more angry? Yes, I'm sure it did, and it probably did give them a great propaganda tool for recruitment. However, here's the crux of the problem: no matter what we do to fight the Islamists and to establish liberal thinking in opposition to them, they're going to get motivated because of it. Even an abject surrender and a return to isolationism will not work, because their victory over us will be an even greater motivational force for Islamist expansion.

We had to conclude the Iraq war in order to fight radical Islamist terrorists. We could not afford to allow Saddam to escape the noose -- which our erstwhile allies on the Security Council tried through the corruption of the Oil-For-Food program -- and to have his miltary on our flank in the region. When the planes flew into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on 9/11, that truth finally dawned on Washington DC -- that the long quagmire in Iraq had seriously endangered the US in the region and beyond, and that we had to end the one war as a part of the new war that terrorist had thrust upon us.

[b]To put it bluntly, fighting terrorists and upsetting their plans for regional domination will make them mad. [/b] Creating opportunities for liberalizing democratic structures to thrive in their back yard will give them enough resentment among Islamists to recruit more terrorists. If we don't already know that much, then we haven't paid much attention. When George Bush warned us that this would be a long war, this is exactly what he meant. The only way to win this war is to give the people in the region better options than Islamic totalitarianism, and a success in Iraq will go a long way towards that goal.
 
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I like the line "and have his military on our flank in the region"....

We see how much of a threat this man was. He had no funding to rebuild his military. He had approximately 40% of his country's airspace constantly surveyed. He had approximately 25% already in the hands of his enemies. He was weakened and he was watched and contained. Considering a neighbor was violating UN and IAEA resolutions and actively building a nuclear program along with N. Korea who has been actively arming Iran and Syria (you know that whole Axis of Evil thing), I'd say there were far greater threats than Saddam out there.
 
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Would you say that the National Review kind of leans to the right?

Heaven's no, I would say they lean slightly to the left.........:whistling:

Me, I am an Imprimus type of person..................
 
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Just to point out, as this is a common tactic, countering a news story with a right wing editorial is not balance.
 
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Just to point out, as this is a common tactic, countering a news story with a right wing editorial is not balance.

I would have never guessed, what was I thinking?:eek:k: :rofl:

Thank you for pointing that out........man, what was I thinking.......
 
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Has OWB not said that the war in Iraq is actually producing more terrorists than we are killing? I believe he has. You all need to start listening to me.

::The "I am Great" smiley::
 
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I heard on Brian and the Judge that this was taken out of context. If its properly read that it states that there may be an increase over the NEXT FIVE YEARS.
 
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I'll play OWB's role here:

1. Interesting how this came out 6 weeks prior to the mid-term elections.

2. Democrats are "cherry picking" information from the report to score political points.

3. Democrats are once again using the "fear" card to scare voters towards their candidates.

Wow -- that was fun and scary at the same time :whistling:
 
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"When are we going to stop blaming ourselves for the rise of terrorism?"
Asked about recently leaked internal U.S. intelligence estimates that claimed the Iraq war was fueling terrorist recruiting, Rice said: "Now that we're fighting back, of course they are fighting back, too."
"I find it just extraordinary that the argument is, all right, so they're using the fact they're being challenged in the Middle East and challenged in Iraq to recruit, therefore you've made the war on terrorism worse.
"It's as if we were in a good place on Sept. 11. Clearly, we weren't," she added.
"These are people who want to fight against us, and they're going to find a reason. And yes, they will recruit, but it doesn't mean you stop pursuing strategies that are ultimately going to stop them," Rice said.
Music to my ears.
 
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I bet it is. I find it ironic she asks when are we going to stop blaming ourselves after she took digs at the Clinton Administration. It's like taking one more swipe before saying can't we all get along.

Yeah, I missed the part where she took digs at the CA for causing terrorism or the rise in terrorism. :dunno:
 
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Saying we should stop blaming ourselves (as a country) is quite different than righting (in her mind) a criticism level at you by a political opponent in your same country.

Just like what old Charlie Rangel said - it's different for us to trash the president than it is for Hugo to do it.
 
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So something that has been proven the opposite of what she says when she calls the President and Richard Clarke a liar is not taking a dig?
 
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So something that has been proven the opposite of what she says when she calls the President and Richard Clarke a liar is not taking a dig?

Since this is off-topic, I'll just try to clarify one time. Dig or not I see this as a completely different topic than saying we should stop blaming ourselves for causing terrorism. Blaming each other for the response to terrorism is only mildly related at best to this issue IMHO.
 
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Well looks like pres Bush had the document in question partially declassified (which never should have been released in the first place, PROSECUTE THESE TRAITORS!) From what I'm hearing this thing was portraied completely out of context. He's a copy
 

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Well looks like pres Bush had the document in question partially declassified (which never should have been released in the first place, PROSECUTE THESE TRAITORS!) From what I'm hearing this thing was portraied completely out of context. He's a copy

Yep, everything he wants you to see is right there. The rest? That's another story.
 
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