Spurrier...

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Can't we all just get along, please? All this fussing and fighting will not help one bit. Thanks, now carry on with your daily routine of living.
 
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pasadenavol said:
Really? Do you think this or did you poll outgoing HS seniors the past 3 years?

Kids DO know schools and their History and Tradition - it's a cornerstone of recruiting - also how many players the school has sent to the NFL...
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To some degree, but our history since '98, when the current recruits were 2 yrs old, has been one of shortfalls, underacheiving and turmoil. Spurrier's rep in Florida and the SE, winning. Dooley will get UT there, but not in the "no foundation" flash in the pan way.
 
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tnmarktx said:
OP is spot on. I don't know what is up with this fan base. They seem to think that anything short of a national championship and we should fire the coach. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them win one every year, but it ain't happening. If you look back at our record, we have had a lot of down years. When Majors was coaching, he had a lot of near .500 years. Even the gloriously loved Lane Kiffin went 7-6 and got killed in a bowl. The fact of the matter is, we still don't have the talent. I know people think we do but, when you have a true freshmen that will be starting at safety, that is just not the case. We could do a lot worse then CDD, and IMO nobody would want the TN job. With the attrition of LK class, it was like being on probation. Lastly, get this thru your heads people, nobody wants the TN job and we most likely don't have the money to hire a big time coach.
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Yup
 
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pasadenavol said:
What product do you think coaches are trying to sell during recruiting? You don't think Saban can talk about the success he's had a UA in the years he's been there or the history or tradition of Alabama football? If you don't think he uses that in recruiting then you're a fool :crazy:
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EXACTLY!! Glad that you are coming around! Now, let's extrapiliate this thought to Spurrier and BINGO. Now, you do realize that UT, because of the condition of the program and an unrealistic expectation from the fan base, could not GET a "Spurrier", right? They did the next best thing and that was to hire a coach that would run a clean program and was willing to build from the ground up.
 
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volbreaker said:
I may be wrong, but I don't think that that is at all what the OP was saying.
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I think he was hinting that the Dooley bashers were stupid, without actually saying it. He is saying that it took Spurrier awhile to turn SC around. I agree.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Can't we all just get along, please? All this fussing and fighting will not help one bit. Thanks, now carry on with your daily routine of living.
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Sorry, I can't take the "dark room" rants against the program any longer. We are getting there and this is a long, long road. That is why every major, "name" coach that the AD offered turned UT down.
 
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tnmarktx said:
I think he was hinting that the Dooley bashers were stupid, without actually saying it. He is saying that it took Spurrier awhile to turn SC around. I agree.
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Sorry, right you are! I forgot that the lunacy ensued in response to the OP. My bad.
 
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tvols75 said:
Yet, Dooley inherited a much worse roster. That is what you are failing to see. Look at the last 3 senior classes. That is all you need to know.
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What do you know about the roster that Spurrier inherited 7-8 years ago at USC? That would be the players that were on par with Kentucky. Try again.
 
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Spurrier has a big reputation from his great tenure (plus national title) at florida, and as others have said, he's in a state with a lot of talent--so those are two big advantages there, and even so he's not had an easy time at all pulling south carolina up.

I like Dooley--he has qualities and it appears that he can recruit, which is massively important. But there is no question he's been unlucky as far as timing: The SEC is always very tough--but it's probably tougher right now--in the top half--as it's been in 50 years. Bama had some good teams with Stallings but under Saban they are as as formidable now as they were under the Bear; georgia has the second best talent base in the southeast (and so we can see how they have underachieved for a long time); south carolina's program is better now than it's been in forever; florida has one of the top two talent bases in the country. So we are up against it. Job 1 is to recruit to and build up the defense. You can't win in the SEC with a mediocre/weak defense--I think we saw that last Saturday. You gotta have a stout defense--and if you do you can be in games and then work on scoring and offense.
 
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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The AD Hamilton is now being thought of as you as smart? I don't think any of us feel he was football or sports smart. I bet this program was probably close to where SC's was at the time CDD took over.

Because of the things you have mentioned about UT, I do not think it will take eight years. But, it will take more than the two he has had. He will not be finished at year three till this year. I still think this team could end up 8-5 or 9-4.
 
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gardners_51609 said:
I have seen a lot of people comparing Dooley to Spurrier at South Carolina. Saying Spurrier coaches up 3 stars and makes them better. Whoever is saying this obviously knows nothing about Spurrier at USCe....

2005- 7-5
2006- 8-5
2007- 6-6- no bowl
2008- 7-6
2009- 7-6
2010- 8-5
2011- 11-2
2012- 5-0

This is Spurrier's 8th season and it took them until his 5th year to have them ranked and until his 7th to compete for the SEC east title. This is a dumb comparison and if it is true Dooley will have a breakthrough his 7th year. I think he will have a breakthrough much sooner....

Flame away...
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The one thing you are missing here, is that Spurrier was put in charge of building a dead-end SEC team. They ALWAYS sucked....always duking it out with Vandy and KY for the lowest point in the SEC.

His job of rebuilding was enormous compared to Dooley's. We can recruit to the program a LOT easier than USCjr can. Even when we were in a downturn. With 2-3 Top 10-15 recruiting classes, Dooley has enough talent, experience and depth to make a run for the SEC E crown. Spurrier would have this team looking like NC contenders, if he could switch places.
 
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I have contended (and burned at the stake for the contention), that the decline of UT has been the impetus of the rising of the Spurrier USCe. The old order had UT battling with UG and UF for the East title while USCe was battling Vandy and UK for the 4th, 5th, and 6th place. Other than his first year (in which he was .500 in the SEC), Spurrier never had a winning conference record until the arrival of Dooley at UT in 2010. Since then, USCe has been battling UG and UF for the East title and UT, unfortunately, has been fighting Vandy and UK for 4th, 5th, and 6th. When (not if) UT regains its footing in the conference, it will again be UT, UF and UG battling for the East, while Spurrier will be fighting Mizzou for 4th and 5th.
 
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pasadenavol said:
Really? Do you think this or did you poll outgoing HS seniors the past 3 years?

Kids DO know schools and their History and Tradition - it's a cornerstone of recruiting - also how many players the school has sent to the NFL...
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Kids in SC dont give a rats ass about TN. USC now has as good or better facilities as UT. Just saying.
 
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Mav145 said:
These Vols were somewhere between 6 and 10 years old when UT was winning championships regularly. Tradition means something in a vague, feel-good way but it has no bearing on their decision to be a Vol. They look at facilities and who the coach is recruiting them imo.
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Ding ding ding ding ding.....:salute: the winner.
 
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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Seriously where are the big time coaches who are dying to take this job? Couldn't give it away the last 4 years.
 
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scvol@upstate said:
Seriously where are the big time coaches who are dying to take this job? Couldn't give it away the last 4 years.
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How did USCe do it ? How did they hire a proven , national champion coach , to come to a dead end job , I've read on here how no big name coach would ever consider coming to UT that's a bunch of b. s. you pay the cash they will come .
 
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Selmervol said:
How did USCe do it ? How did they hire a proven , national champion coach , to come to a dead end job , I've read on here how no big name coach would ever consider coming to UT that's a bunch of b. s. you pay the cash they will come .
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VOLorNuttin said:
The one thing you are missing here, is that Spurrier was put in charge of building a dead-end SEC team. They ALWAYS sucked....always duking it out with Vandy and KY for the lowest point in the SEC.

His job of rebuilding was enormous compared to Dooley's. We can recruit to the program a LOT easier than USCjr can. Even when we were in a downturn. With 2-3 Top 10-15 recruiting classes, Dooley has enough talent, experience and depth to make a run for the SEC E crown. Spurrier would have this team looking like NC contenders, if he could switch places.
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Seriously? I feel that you are joking. I'm not selling you so short and actually believing that you were serious when you said, "His job of rebuilding was enormous compared to Dooley's". You are Joking, Right



This is a sidenote:
You DO have a better grip on reality than that. Right?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
The one thing you are missing here, is that Spurrier was put in charge of building a dead-end SEC team. They ALWAYS sucked....always duking it out with Vandy and KY for the lowest point in the SEC.

His job of rebuilding was enormous compared to Dooley's. We can recruit to the program a LOT easier than USCjr can. Even when we were in a downturn. With 2-3 Top 10-15 recruiting classes, Dooley has enough talent, experience and depth to make a run for the SEC E crown. Spurrier would have this team looking like NC contenders, if he could switch places.
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Wow! Sorry, I continued reading your extremely humorous post and had to laugh along with you one more time!!
 
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Dr H Lecter said:
I have contended (and burned at the stake for the contention), that the decline of UT has been the impetus of the rising of the Spurrier USCe. The old order had UT battling with UG and UF for the East title while USCe was battling Vandy and UK for the 4th, 5th, and 6th place. Other than his first year (in which he was .500 in the SEC), Spurrier never had a winning conference record until the arrival of Dooley at UT in 2010. Since then, USCe has been battling UG and UF for the East title and UT, unfortunately, has been fighting Vandy and UK for 4th, 5th, and 6th. When (not if) UT regains its footing in the conference, it will again be UT, UF and UG battling for the East, while Spurrier will be fighting Mizzou for 4th and 5th.
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"since Dooley came"??? Seriously, you guys are looking really stupid. I mean, I'm not going to interfere. I just want you to tell me the story about the decline happening "when Dooley came" again. I'm getting sleepy and that makes me smile.
 
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