Spurrier...

#27
#27
k-town_king said:
Are you serious? SC was the worst team in the SEC for many years. They were horrible when SS came. When Dooley got here he still had some NFL players and good recruiting classes compared to what SC had.
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Dooley inherited good recruitng classes? Which year was good?

Also, USCe had more players drafted from the classes Spurrier was left than what UT had. Explain that one.
 
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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Kids coming up in highschool have no idea or don't care about years ago.
Fwiw, the state of south Carolina has better football talent than TN as well.
 
#30
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Spartacavolus said:
Kids coming up in highschool have no idea or don't care about years ago.
Fwiw, the state of south Carolina has better football talent than TN as well.
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Really? Do you think this or did you poll outgoing HS seniors the past 3 years?

Kids DO know schools and their History and Tradition - it's a cornerstone of recruiting - also how many players the school has sent to the NFL...
 
#31
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pasadenavol said:
Really? Do you think this or did you poll outgoing HS seniors the past 3 years?

Kids DO know schools and their History and Tradition - it's a cornerstone of recruiting - also how many players the school has sent to the NFL...
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The same question can be asked to you. Did you poll the HS kids?
 
#32
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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Do you actually think they planed for this to happen. Tradition and number of wins and championships have NOTHING to do with the ability of a team to or to prevent itself from falling on hard times. Can you name 1 team, in any sport in the world were they have been on top every second they play? No you can't. If that was the case, UK would win every basketball title, bama would win every football title, and so goes with the Yankees, and the Lakers. People need to wake up to the fact that this happens to EVERY ONE, SOMETIME. No matter how hard you try to prevent it.
 
#33
#33
OP is spot on. I don't know what is up with this fan base. They seem to think that anything short of a national championship and we should fire the coach. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them win one every year, but it ain't happening. If you look back at our record, we have had a lot of down years. When Majors was coaching, he had a lot of near .500 years. Even the gloriously loved Lane Kiffin went 7-6 and got killed in a bowl. The fact of the matter is, we still don't have the talent. I know people think we do but, when you have a true freshmen that will be starting at safety, that is just not the case. We could do a lot worse then CDD, and IMO nobody would want the TN job. With the attrition of LK class, it was like being on probation. Lastly, get this thru your heads people, nobody wants the TN job and we most likely don't have the money to hire a big time coach.
 
#34
#34
pasadenavol said:
Really? Tradition means nothing in recruiting? That's news to me...
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These Vols were somewhere between 6 and 10 years old when UT was winning championships regularly. Tradition means something in a vague, feel-good way but it has no bearing on their decision to be a Vol. They look at facilities and who the coach is recruiting them imo.
 
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tvols75 said:
The same question can be asked to you. Did you poll the HS kids?
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What product do you think coaches are trying to sell during recruiting? You don't think Saban can talk about the success he's had a UA in the years he's been there or the history or tradition of Alabama football? If you don't think he uses that in recruiting then you're a fool :crazy:
 
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pasadenavol said:
What product do you think coaches are trying to sell during recruiting? You don't think Saban can talk about the success he's had a UA in the years he's been there or the history or tradition of Alabama football? If you don't think he uses that in recruiting then you're a fool :crazy:
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So when any program is going vs. UT, you think HS kids care more about the last 5 years or care more about, "Hey UT won a championship 14 years ago."
 
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tnmarktx said:
OP is spot on. I don't know what is up with this fan base. They seem to think that anything short of a national championship and we should fire the coach. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them win one every year, but it ain't happening. If you look back at our record, we have had a lot of down years. When Majors was coaching, he had a lot of near .500 years. Even the gloriously loved Lane Kiffin went 7-6 and got killed in a bowl. The fact of the matter is, we still don't have the talent. I know people think we do but, when you have a true freshmen that will be starting at safety, that is just not the case. We could do a lot worse then CDD, and IMO nobody would want the TN job. With the attrition of LK class, it was like being on probation. Lastly, get this thru your heads people, nobody wants the TN job and we most likely don't have the money to hire a big time coach.
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Who said anything about firing the coach?
 
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tvols75 said:
So when any program is going vs. UT, you think HS kids care more about the last 5 years or care more about, "Hey UT won a championship 14 years ago."
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If your criteria is correct, then UT should give up and not recruit at all, because 1-9 in our last 10 SEC games, who the $%#* would go to a school like that? And who's fault is it that the program got in such bad shape? Dooley? Hamilton? Fulmer? Hart? Kiffin?
 
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pasadenavol said:
If your criteria is correct, then UT should give up and not recruit at all, because 1-9 in our last 10 SEC games, who the $%#* would go to a school like that? And who's fault is it that the program got in such bad shape? Dooley? Hamilton? Fulmer? Hart?
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That is beyond dumb. UT has a lot to offer to recruits, but you are overstating tradition when kids are more worried about NOW.
 
#41
#41
Every thread on this board turns out to be a conflict in the fanbase - it sucks. We are all Vol Fans and we all have our own viewpoints. Bashing each other does no good for the program. Let's just hope for the good of the team that the ship is moving in the right direction and that the right decisions (whatever they may be) are made so that our football team can be successful on the field and in life.

Sorry to anyone I've offended... now back to what's really important - work!
 
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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Soooo, you just started watching the Vols or pulled a "Rip Van Winkle"? You think Fulmer left the cupboard full and in great shape and that was why he was fired? You somehow missed the following season that effectively left the program without two recruiting classes and in a complete wreck? You didn't know that S.C. was a recruiting hotbed? I am at a loss.
 
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tm3 said:
steve superior's resume includes about 7 conference championships and a NC.

past performance is the best predictor of future performance.

CDD's resume includes, what?
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Agree!! That certainly makes Spurrier's job alot easier while sitting smack in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. Glad that you are coming around.
 
#47
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pasadenavol said:
The difference is that Spurrier went to a school that was a continual bottom feeder of the SEC, with no tradition, no national spotlight, really nothing in it's favor. At a school like that, it's really a miracle that he would bring them to where they are in 8 years.

However, at a place like Tennessee, with multiple NC's, numerous SEC titles, divisional titles, top 10 program of all time, you shouldn't have to spend that much time 'rebuilding' - hell, if the AD was smart, he would've never let it fall that far to begin with...
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This guy understands. The sheep, however, do not. I'll hang up and listen.
 
#48
#48
Volverine said:
Even if your contention that South Carolina provides more high-caliber prospects is true, South Carolina has to compete for those recruits with another top tier school. No, Clemson is not a national power, but there's no denying they recruit well. Tennessee doesn't face the same time to in-state competition (no offense, Vandy).
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South Carolina has SC, NC, Georgia AND Spurriers name in Florida. I submit:

Official Football Roster - South Carolina Official Athletic Site
 
#50
#50
pasadenavol said:
Having said that, I still have my doubts about Dooley's ability to get it done. Look at Saturday's game and some of his coaching decisions:
1. Continuing to try to kick with Brodus, even after missing a couple of easy kicks
2. Why do you try to kick a field goal when you're down by 2 TD's with 8 minutes left on 4th and 5 inside the 20?
3. Burn a TO on a 2 pt conversion?

To me, he looks in over his head - I hate to say it because I really like the guy. But I still have my doubts - that's all. Hope he proves himself the rest of the season, but it's not about the W/L - it's about the overall coaching mindset and strategy - his doesn't seem to be working right now...
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1. um brodus was taken out after those misses... remember palardy kicked extra point.

2. you have to try for the three points. if we hit it and then get the touchdown we are in a position to win with a TD, not a TD hopefully extra point to tie or go for two to win.

3. we had 9 players on the field...so just not call a timeout and give them the 2pt or call a timeout get team reset for a better opportunity at stopping the play.....?
 
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