Spread vs Pro-Style

#26
#26
sMi.Spite said:
Rich Rodriguez changed the game of CFB when he was the O-coordinator at Clemson/Tulane (I think I am remembering all of this correctly) and he ran a spread offense that ran out of the no-huddle 2-minute drill all game long to keep the defense in its base set.

Even if we don't run a spread, I would like for us to use more no-huddle. QBs generally get in more of a rhythm and in their comfort zone in such a scenario, even when it isn't in the 2 minutes before a half/end of game (where the D is often in prevent). The QBs get to call whatever they are comfortable with. We had reasonable success with this in 2007, and I thought it was a pretty solid idea. I think it works a little better in the Spread Offense than in the pro-style because of the matchup problems.
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I agree that the no huddle works, but you have to have a QB who is smart enough to run it and doesn't have to look to the sidelines before every snap to get the play.
 
#27
#27
GAVol said:
Exactly . . . We've been using spread formations since the late 80's.
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Referring to both. Not individual formations but the entire offensive philosophy. I do like the spread offense run by Leach or Kelly much better than the spread option offense.
 
#28
#28
The spread that I personally like is that of Mike Leach.Lining up 5 wide every single time and running when you least expect it.
 
#29
#29
BTW I would like to add that the pro-style can still be successful in CFB, as USC and Alabama demonstrate.

In fact, Lane Kiffen ran the pro-style offense very, very well at USC. :whistling:
 
#30
#30
hog88 said:
It works for UF because of Tebow. When the man-child is gone they will come back to earth.
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It works because of Tebow and Harvin and Rainey and Demps and Jeffries, et alia. Then again, those guys could pretty much run anything and make it work. The baffling thing to me is how it took about 5 games this season before it started clicking again.

There are a lot of different schemes that work in college football, provided you have players and execute. Personally, I favor the pro set because 1) I think it would be an easier transition, and 2) it is the style of football I like to watch, but I'll take anything that works.
 
#32
#32
The days of the "three yards and a cloud of dust" offenses are numbered. College Defenses are faster than ever and bigger than ever. It is now common to see defensive lineman just as big, and possibly stronger than the opposing offensive linemen.

The spread is here to stay.

The Michigan argument is stupid. Post that again in 3 years when they are in a BCS game.
 
#33
#33
DaytonLawVol said:
The days of the "three yards and a cloud of dust" offenses are numbered. College Defenses are faster than ever and bigger than ever. It is now common to see defensive lineman just as big, and possibly stronger than the opposing offensive linemen.

The spread is here to stay.

The Michigan argument is stupid. Post that again in 3 years when they are in a BCS game.
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Just like the run and shoot and the fun and gun huh?

Defense will adapt and something new will pop up.

The only thing that is certain in football is the team that doesn't turn the ball over and controls the line of scrimmage wins the game.
 
#35
#35
DaytonLawVol said:
The days of the "three yards and a cloud of dust" offenses are numbered. College Defenses are faster than ever and bigger than ever. It is now common to see defensive lineman just as big, and possibly stronger than the opposing offensive linemen.

The spread is here to stay.

The Michigan argument is stupid. Post that again in 3 years when they are in a BCS game.
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Pro style does not necessarily equal 3 yards in a cloud of dust.
 
#37
#37
justingroves said:
Just like the run and shoot and the fun and gun huh?

Defense will adapt and something new will pop up.

The only thing that is certain in football is the team that doesn't turn the ball over and controls the line of scrimmage wins the game.
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The run and shoot and the fun and gun both died out because they pretty much abandoned any resemblence of a consistent running game. The Spread emphasizes the run, and thus will be around much longer than the Run and Shoot.
 
#38
#38
If the single wing is run correctly, it's unstoppable.

And for the last time, someone please define "the spread".
 
#39
#39
Hog, I agree 100%. Told my Gator fan friend they better win another one while Tebow is there because I don't see it happening in FL without him. He's hitting his stride now and they are playing better, but Houston Nutt made him look like Crompton. Well, maybe not that bad, but you get the point. I'm all for pro style, tell them where you are going to run it and then do it. You keep a spread option team off the field awhile and they start panicking and do all kinds of crazy stuff.
 
#41
#41
I would prefer we run a pro style offense at UT. But, I would like to see it run successfully for once.
 
#42
#42
i dont want us to go to the spread. It's not the "end all world beater" offense everything thinks it is, especially if you dont have the players to run it. It would take us at least 2 years to implement it. then 3-5 years (probably close to 5) to get the right players to run it effectively. By then, everyone's going to be doing it or it's flaws will be quite in the open

Also, something tells me teams like UF who run spread options and such know very well how to stop the spread if some other team comes in playing it...since like they practice against it regularly
 
#43
#43
Ohio Vol said:
If the single wing is run correctly, it's unstoppable.

And for the last time, someone please define "the spread".
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There are a lot of receivers on the field?

People can't because they don't know enough about the X's and O's of football. They regurgitate what they hear on ESPN
 
#45
#45
I think the pro-style is dying in college, its easier to stop and has become antiquated for the most part. The game of football, like most things, evolves over time and over the last century of the game it has moved from strictly running to gradualy more and more pass-oriented. I believe that with the rules as they are right now requiring 5 linemen, Mike Leach's style of 5 wide spread the ball offense id the epitimy of football evolution. It is by far the most difficult to defend over the complete 60 minutes and the only way to beat it is to outscore it. I think people are too-worried about getting to the NFL and not winning at the college level. I, personally, could care less if they go on to be professional bakers or ice dancers after college as long as they win while they wear orange (winning games will ultimately lead to interest from NFL scouting agent too). Although it may take a season or two to incorporate, I think the only way to stay up to our competition is to incorpporate the spread into what we've already established. Over the next few years, it will become more difficult to win with a pro-style system because of the caliber of defenses and the limited options that style inherently comes with. Like I said, the game is going through a major paradigm shift in the the way offenses are handled and we can't afford to be left behind, regardless of how many players are playing in the NFL, becasue that doesnt help us out during the game on saturdays.
 
#46
#46
cotton said:
It works because of Tebow and Harvin and Rainey and Demps and Jeffries, et alia. Then again, those guys could pretty much run anything and make it work. The baffling thing to me is how it took about 5 games this season before it started clicking again.

There are a lot of different schemes that work in college football, provided you have players and execute. Personally, I favor the pro set because 1) I think it would be an easier transition, and 2) it is the style of football I like to watch, but I'll take anything that works.
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Tebow is the key to the machine. Without Tebow that offense would not be as productive IMO. They would still be good but a QB like Tebow only comes around every so often and he fits that offense perfect.
 
#47
#47
I want an offense where:

1. The QB reads the defense and acts accordingly.
2. We line up and snap the ball and the O-Line blocks.
3. The RBs hit the holes made by the O-line.
4. The WRs make an effort to get open and make catches.

Damn, what a revolutionary style of offense!!! That used to be UT. We won because we were better than the other team and executed. That was Coach Cut's philosophy...the opposing team knew what was coming after the snap, but there wasn't a damn thing they could do to stop it from happening.

I'm not a football genius, but I think "innovative" offenses are attempts to hide your weaknesses. You can't do that forever. Ex: LSU's defensive line from last year would destroy Texas Tech's offense this year.
 
#48
#48
jhvol said:
I want an offense where:

1. The QB reads the defense and acts accordingly.
2. We line up and snap the ball and the O-Line blocks.
3. The RBs hit the holes made by the O-line.
4. The WRs make an effort to get open and make catches.

Damn, what a revolutionary style of offense!!! That used to be UT. We won because we were better than the other team and executed. That was Coach Cut's philosophy...the opposing team knew what was coming after the snap, but there wasn't a damn thing they could do to stop it from happening.

I'm not a football genius, but I think "innovative" offenses are attempts to hide your weaknesses. You can't do that forever. Ex: LSU's defensive line from last year would destroy Texas Tech's offense this year.
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I wouldn't be so sure about the LSU defense vs TTU offense. UF threw the ball all over LSU. The only reason LSU won that ball game was because UF's defense couldn't hold LSU's running game in check. I personally
think the TTU offense would give any defense fits.
 
#49
#49
The best pro-style offense I have ever seen on the hill was in the late eighties and early nineties. We ran it down your throat, ran it wide and threw it downfield.

Guess who was OC during that period?
 
#50
#50
Walt Harris ran an awesome offense at Tennessee. Fulmer was the o-line coach. Four wides, lots of deep throws, big runs after D was spread out.
 
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