Spread offense not all that.......

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Ok, let's get it on.....

You think we need to run the spread huh? Okay, well first lets see what the best minds in football are doing. Four of the best teams in the NFL have very good the great pocket passers. No spread offense there. What about the teams with the QB's who might do it, Tennessee and Atlanta. Well, don't think we'll ever find out what Vick was gonna do, but he wasn't doing well. BUT, he sure wasn't running an option either, why? How about the Titans. VY had more rushing yards that the Heisman winner in their National Championship game. Where's the Titans spread offense. They have the players to run it. Hmmmm......

Why have there been so many upsets this year in college football. How are teams with lesser talent beating teams with much better players. It's quite simple, it's currently an equalizer, and it's not unstoppable. The team with the best talent for running the spread this year lost 3 games inside their conference. What did the Bruce Pearl do with less talent two years ago to the likes of Texas and Florida. Ran like crazy for 20 games, and then teams caught on and started shutting us down. The same thing is going to happen to the spread.

The spread creates wider lanes and open space for play makers like Tim Tebow and Percy Harvin to make plays. First, Tebow's a freak, not the norm. What the Gators did with Tebow as a run threat is not much different than what Arkansas did when MacFadden lined up at QB. Tennessee didn't seem to have much trouble stopping Arkansas's version of Tebow did they? Florida's spread believe it or not is a run first option. They just so happen to have a full back at QB who can also throw. Other than Florida, for now, the spread is an equalizer for the weaker teams. It doesn't do much more than they way we ran the no huddle this year. It's made to create mismatches, just like what UT was trying to do all year. One difference, our offense did not have the better athletes. If Ainge had just on guy who could get deep and could go after a ball. That 6'4" to 6'6" 205 to 220 lbs guy that can get over the DB's in the SEC, we have a totally different season. I doubt we lose to Cal. We may still lose to Florida, but we're in the game longer for sure with Alabama and they don't see the ball as much.

The spread is a legitimate offense that creates mismatches, but if your athletes on D, I'll say Eric Berry for starters, can match up and commit to their position, the spread will not be so great looking. Don't get me wrong, I thinks it's great to bring in Gerald Jones in the backfield. But I don't think it needs to be the basis of our offense. We run a pro style offense for a reason, if the pros don't run the spread, why should we. It's good to throw in the mix, but don't bank our whole season on it. The SEC has the speed and hitting power to control the spread, the D coordinators just need to see it, and they'll catch on.
 
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Pocket Passer said:
No doubt, but they have all the talent and the best football minds.
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It's just a completely different game. You don't have many guys that can be gamebreakers at the next level. Urban Meyer has lots of kids that can totally outmatch your average defender. In the pros, teams don't have that luxury.
 
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kptvol said:
It's just a completely different game. You don't have many guys that can be gamebreakers at the next level. Urban Meyer has lots of kids that can totally outmatch your average defender. In the pros, teams don't have that luxury.
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Right, there's athletes on both sides of the ball. D's will start to do so in college to catch up to the spread. Eric Berry is a start. Everybody wants him on the O side, but he needs to be the man covering Harvin or spying on Tebow. Athlete on athlete. Even the playing field, thats all it takes.
 
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Pocket Passer said:
Right, there's athletes on both sides of the ball. D's will start to do so in college to catch up to the spread. Eric Berry is a start. Everybody wants him on the O side, but he needs to be the man covering Harvin or spying on Tebow. Athlete on athlete. Even the playing field, thats all it takes.
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If you expect our defense to be full of guys as athletic as Eric Berry, you are going to be disappointed. I imagine college defensive coordinators may catch up to the spread, but everyone said the same thing about Spurrier's offense at Florida. He was as dominant when he left as he was in the mid-90s. The spread isn't going anywhere, and the only thing that is going to stop Urban Meyer's offense is his retirement.
 
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I like aggressive offenses Bobby Petrino put one of the most exciting offenses Ive ever seen on the field while at U of L and he did it with a pocket passer. It will be interesting to see how it fairs in the SEC. Im not much on the WV offense. Without Pat White they are a little above average at best.

Meyers offense is new but lets see how it fares in the SEC after a couple more years. Hal Mumme lit up the boards when he first got to UK but they eventually shut them down.
 
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One of the most long-winded garbage posts I've seen in a long time.

First off, there is no such thing as "the spread" as a one-size-fits-all offensive scheme. Nebraska used to pass the ball 5-10 times per game out of the I-formation, and Syracuse used to pass it 25-35 times from the same formation set when McNabb was there. You can pass 70 times a game out of the wishbone and run it 70 times from an empty backfield. I can talk about "tight backfields" until the cows come home, but it still is absolutely meaningless when it pertains to anything that matters.

Hawaii and Texas Tech run "the spread", but how much does it resemble what West Virginia and Florida do? Can you possibly defend those two vastly disparate systems the same way? Play zone defense to shut down the Hawaii passing attack and get maimed by Florida....such is life in the one size fits all approach.
 
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I don't think we "need" to run the spread, per se. I think our offense is versatile enough now to do pretty much whatever we want/need to do -- we just don't utilize it to the max. I'd just like to see more variety in our current offense, and that comes from better play calling and taking on a little more risk.
 
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Pocket Passer said:
Ok, let's get it on......
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Top 20 teams in total offense in Div 1

1 Tulsa
2 Texas Tech
3 Hawaii
4 Houston
5 Missouri
6 Kansas
7 Nevada
8 Louisville
9 Oklahoma St.
10 Boise St.
11 Nebraska
12 Oregon
13 Florida
13 Texas
15 BYU
16 Arkansas
17 Troy
18 Oklahoma
19 West Virginia
20 Toledo

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org

Half the teams in the top 20 are using a spread formation to run their offense from.

Spread offense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also Applachian State won 3 Div 1-AA titles in a row with a spread offense, and Florida won the Div 1 title last year.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
First off, there is no such thing as "the spread" as a one-size-fits-all offensive scheme.
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Why is that so hard for people to understand? There's no way that what Hawaii is doing is even slightly related to what West Virginia is doing, yet you still hear people refer to both as the "spread offense". 90% of the teams in Division 1A probably run plays at one time or another from spread formations using the shotgun and have been doing it for 10-15 years at least.
 
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GAVol said:
Why is that so hard for people to understand? There's no way that what Hawaii is doing is even slightly related to what West Virginia is doing, yet you still hear people refer to both as the "spread offense". 90% of the teams in Division 1A probably run plays at one time or another from spread formations using the shotgun and have been doing it for 10-15 years at least.
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I think the thread starter, was talking about teams that use a spread formation as their base offense, i.e. 4-5 WR's. Everyone uses it for long yardage, but most teams don't run the majority of their plays from it.
 
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Well, Florida runs the spread offense and they won the national championship last year. Oregon runs it and they were going to go to the national title game this year had Dixon not been injured. Appalachian State runs it and they just won their 3rd straight national championship. West Virginia runs it and they were a game away from the national title game. To say that it doesn't work and it is ultimately ineffective is not being truthful.
 
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Good defensive tackles, space eaters can make a spread look bad. Especially if you have speedy ends. You put a guy like haynesworth or someone of his size inside against tebow and tebow goes out with a broke leg. Sadly the only guy glen dorsey is no haynesworth. I challenge forston to come to ut and bust tebag in the mouth. Maybe this will piss forston off and he will come here. Just trying to help out recruiting.:)
 
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Yeah, if you had a Haynesworth it could bust it up, but how many guys are of Haynesworth's quality? Not very many. And to think that Tennessee had Haynesworth and Henderson at the same time. Crazy.
 
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drewwes01 said:
Yeah, if you had a Haynesworth it could bust it up, but how many guys are of Haynesworth's quality? Not very many. And to think that Tennessee had Haynesworth and Henderson at the same time. Crazy.
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There isn't even anyone in the nfl of haynesworth's quality at least when he is healthy. He was playing out of his mind earlier this year. He's going to get paid. As far as stopping the spread. You don't neccessarily have to have a haynesworth. Just a guy who plays his gaps and doesn't get shoved out of them. But then it falls on your linebackers. Which ours have traditonally been undersized for more speed. Speed is good but you need some size not to get trucked by tebow. It seems to be a bad matchup with chavis's style of defense. Unless of course you have a albert somewhere.
 
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Yes and he gave all the credit to going and working with Chuck Smith, wonder if he would be interested in coming back to UT.
 
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Man, Haynesworth and Henderson are two of the best DTs in the NFL (in fact, the Henderson/Stroud combo for the Jags is consistently called the best DT tandem in the NFL). Haynesworth is having an MVP type season.

Mind Boggling to think we had both of them at the same time. Our defenses in the 90s were such blowouts. I wish we still got all those blue chip recruits from all over the south. I think Richt taking over at Georgia had alot to do with that.
 
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Get chuck a plane ticket back to knoxville asap. Dan brooks needs to pack his bags. Come back chuck,please
 
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sMi.Spite said:
Man, Haynesworth and Henderson are two of the best DTs in the NFL (in fact, the Henderson/Stroud combo for the Jags is consistently called the best DT tandem in the NFL). Haynesworth is having an MVP type season.

Mind Boggling to think we had both of them at the same time. Our defenses in the 90s were such blowouts. I wish we still got all those blue chip recruits from all over the south. I think Richt taking over at Georgia had alot to do with that.
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Rodney garner has alot to do with everything your saying.
 
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Yeah, we need to run off a guy who's coached up several Pro Bowlers and hire a guy who's best claim to "coaching" is occasionally giving UGA players tips.
 
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The Dude said:
Yeah, we need to run off a guy who's coached up several Pro Bowlers and hire a guy who's best claim to "coaching" is occasionally giving UGA players tips.
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Ah your right i guess i just got excited over they way albert was mauling people early on. Bring him in make him a Assistant or something just get him to bring whatever he feed albert with him.
 
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