Spend the Dang Money

#102
#102
WiseOlVol said:
Vol fans are among the most rabid, long-suffering and hungry fans in FBS.
We live and die from year to year, from week to week, from play to play.
Lowly Michigan (1 NC (shared) since 1948, a B10 team, and finished 3rd in division back-to-back under $9mm Harbaugh) has a staff full of ex-NFL coaches. They're recruiting way above their station.

Top recruits want to develop NFL skills.

Why don't we have the resources to hire at this level?
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The irony of this post... resources to hire like Michigan "who finished 3rd in division"...

Harbaugh would be a complete and utter failure by volnation standards, Our fans want to fire the coach for finishing 2nd in the division,
 
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#103
volfan102455 said:
If you read the article you will see that the money was spent in the years when cash was flowing as a result of the success during the Peyton years and the 5 to 6 years following. UT was selling the tickets and filling Neyland so there was absolutely no problem with enhancements to Neyland - and quite honestly more is needed in parts of the Stadium. I sit in the renovated side. Ask folks that don't what they think about Neyland.

Right after they went in debt is when the seasons started tanking. Fulmer was fired. Kiffin was hired and left in the middle of the night. Dooley was hired and the team progressively got worse. The impact was that the program that needs to make the most money didn't. Then Dooley was fired and the buyout had to be covered as well as the contracts for the incoming coaches.

The last two years has seen attendance, donations and ticket sales return to what they were before. Financially the UTAD is getting back on solid ground.

I'm glad some of you do NOT get to make decisions for the UTAD. If you did the department would be broke and out of business and there would be NO sports whatsoever played in Knoxville.
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and tumbleweeds will be blown by a bitter wind across a dead gridiron while vultures circle under a caulder sky and swoop to land on Neyland's upper decks outside rail. Seemingly to gather and tell tales of dead athletes whose eyes they enjoyed for dinner.
 
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#105
Other coaching thoughts:

Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech ($3,306,575) is 15-23
Will Muschamp, South Carolina (salary: $3,002,500) (1st year) time will twll.............
Steve Addazio, Boston College (salary: $2,333,628) combined 6-13 since the start of last season



I'm not good enough at Google to give more info..............but you know what I mean.


Sometimes you invest and it pays off
Sometimes you invest and it doesn't

It costs a LOT to jump ship.
 
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Volstylexx said:
The irony of this post... resources to hire like Michigan "who finished 3rd in division"...

Harbaugh would be a complete and utter failure by volnation standards, Our fans want to fire the coach for finishing 2nd in the division,
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But the Big Ten is a better conference than the SEC 'BLUE FONT'
 
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#107
OrangeDog said:
We should have outbid Texas for Charlie Strong for $5.2 million.


If you look around, there are LOTS & LOTS of other times when schools have gone for the big $ hire and fallen flat.

.......notre dame is just one example
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I'm sorry, but I disagree. He ran off half of his players within months of setting foot on campus and then has nothing to show for it but a big fat FIRED, on his resume! Charlie Strong will never coach in the SEC, in my opinion. Unless it's at Vandy, Kentucky or USCjr.
 
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The point of my post was not to replace butch. But to give him the budget to hire top position coaches. This is what top recruits are looking for.
 
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#111
08Vol said:
College football is a year round sport with coaches, trainers, cooks, tutors, medical staff, etc working 5+ days a week. All that has to be paid for with only 7-8 days of revenue. Throw in the cost of recruiting, housing, scholarships, stadium renovation and expansion too. With all this it's easy to see why the football program isn't overflowing with cash
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Plus the money made from the revenue making sports helps to pay for the non revenue making sports programs.

Some just don't get how much it costs compared to how much is actually taken in each year.
 
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#113
EweTVol said:
I blame the retirement of John ward and the years of porky pig as the voice of the vols
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I've said for years the problem is right in front of us...it's the goalpost pads. Go back to the white goalpost pads and UT will win again.
 
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#114
Aavoxx said:
Who, exactly, do you expect us to "spend the dang money" on?

There is not an established football coach available that's a good fit at Tennessee. If Butch is fired after 2017, the best coaches are going to be mid-major coaches looking for a step up unless something changes. You don't "spend the dang money" on someone that hasn't earned it.

If a change is made and the new coach proves to be the correct fit, then the money should be spent in retention.
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Everybody is saying hire a big name coach with NFL experience to replace CBJ. OK, the top person available who is not now a head coach is Greg Schiano, the DC for Ohio St. Schiano coached Rutgers and grew the program developing Ray Rice into an AA. He then went on to be head coach of the Tampa Bay Bucs. He is a defensive oriented coach and would be a no non-sense type of guy. So he meets all the criteria VN fans are seeking.
 
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jakez4ut said:
no fan of his, but the problems we have fundamentally in our leadership lie a rung or two higher than just the AD.

remember, someone is hiring the AD.:thumbsup:
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Absolutely agree. The question I've always had is why Hamilton was even allowed to hire a coach after the Kiffin debacle and with the other issues that were going on in the AD.
 
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#116
volfan102455 said:
Seriously this time 4 years ago the UTAD was in serious trouble. Things are better now financially but this article clearly shows how bad it was.

Tennessee athletic department mired in $200 million debt | NCAA Football | Sporting News

Some of you seem to think there is money just lying around to pay buyouts of coaches and spend twice as much as that (... which it would take ...) to secure your so called flavor of the day "elite coach".

Unless all who support the department plan to donate their entire salary for several years - UTAD can't continue to support the cycle (fire, pay buyout, hire new coach, fire, pay buyout, hire new coach ..... ).
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It costs a lot more to pay buyouts and be paying two staffs than to get it right the first time. It costs a lot more when you consider the revenue that comes with winning. Instead we go out and get the Derek Dooley's of the world. Keep Butch and give him everything he needs to be successful, if he's not go get your guy. Hell I would make someone like Peterson say no to a dump truck load of cash. Programs like Alabama and Michigan target their guy and do anything financially feasible to land him, Tennessee has and always will be cheap and when you buy cheap you get cheap. We do have the dumbest fans in the country BC we continue to support this mess.
 
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jakez4ut said:
and when i talk about money, i'm speaking about the big time boosters that will be funding anything of significance. there's a divide there, and until we have some leadership that can get everyone on the same page, pool those resources, and move forward with a clear purpose....then nothing will change. . . .
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The boosters are a double-edged sword. Sure, you need their money, but you also have to deal with their personalities. People typically don't become wealthy without being a strong minded leader. If they give a big pile of money, they feel like they have a say in the process. It's not always possible to get them all on the same page.

The funny this is, the big donors who actually know something about football, like former players, etc., usually meddle far less.
 
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tallyho said:
Everybody is saying hire a big name coach with NFL experience to replace CBJ. OK, the top person available who is not now a head coach is Greg Schiano, the DC for Ohio St. Schiano coached Rutgers and grew the program developing Ray Rice into an AA. He then went on to be head coach of the Tampa Bay Bucs. He is a defensive oriented coach and would be a no non-sense type of guy. So he meets all the criteria VN fans are seeking.
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I don't understand why you'd want Schiano anywhere near your program in that capacity after what went down in Tampa.
 
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#119
If we want a ridiculous name to chase, try John Harbaugh. His contract is set to expire after 2017 and there is talk both sides are ready to move on.

Nevermind he'll probably get a different NFL job and hasn't coaches in the college ranks since 1997. At Indiana.

Also, Butch still has an opportunity to turn it around. I don't know that he will or that he won't. I do know if he would handle the media better far fewer of you would be calling for his head.
 
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#120
SaintLouisVol said:
The boosters are a double-edged sword. Sure, you need their money, but you also have to deal with their personalities. People typically don't become wealthy without being a strong minded leader. If they give a big pile of money, they feel like they have a say in the process. It's not always possible to get them all on the same page.

The funny this is, the big donors who actually know something about football, like former players, etc., usually meddle far less.
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hence my emphasis on having some really strong leadership....Doug Dickey was the last AD we had that could do it. and he didn't make everyone happy, but there's no arguing the level of success we had when everyone was on the same page, and working for the same purpose.
 
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