Speed

#51
#51
I dont think anyone said Reggie is the better running back....however, I believe he is the better all around football player, and has been more impressive and important to his team to this point in his career. Like I said, I am not even a Bush fan, I think he is more of a WR playing RB.....but, I give credit where it is due. At any point, he can take ANY run, pass, or punt return to the house. On big run doesnt make a player a break away threat...if anything, it makes Whites 3.7ypc even more un-impressive cause he has a 80+ yard run to factor in there. I understand they are two completely different types of players, and must be judged differently.....I just really disagree that White has done more than Bush in any way at this point in their careers.
 
#52
#52
NewVol said:
I agree that Reggie is a better athlete but White is the better "RB". Those that know football know White is a rhythm back and he gets better as the game goes on. You cant give him the ball 8 times and expect him to take it 80 yards. I dont know of any big back that can do that. White also started at SC. Not Reggie, and Herschel Dennis started their freshman year. If Im looking for an athlete Im going with Reggie but if I need a true RB I am going with White. And stats are misleading when White has to go in to convert 3rd and 4th and 1 all of the time. And for those saying he's not a feature back, he did it last year and I think he did pretty good for himself. He had surgery on his left shoulder, hand, and knee immediately after the season. To go through that much and still accomplish what he has, he should be commended for that. And for those saying he didnt play his Rookie year, he was behind one of the leading rushers in the NFL. A former Vol Legend. And they decided to let him go so they must have seen something in White. But if you guys still want to compare stats, who is the best RB?

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The, "I art holier than thou" attitude. I love that.

Listen, I love Reggie Bush. He is my most favorite player ever, so this will seem a little biased, but I still think that Reggie is better than LenDale. RB RB can turn the game around so quick, and LenDale can't do that. White is good for "3 yards and a cloud of dust." Nothing wrong with that, but Reggie can make the game a whole different story with one play. If he gets to a team that fits his style, he will be a perrenial pro-bowler(hint: get Reggie Bush to Tennessee)

My observations here.
 
#53
#53
who was the coach that said if you don't have speed your chasing it ? i belive he was in the SEC
 
#55
#55
Lockdown1 said:
I've heard that too. And whoever he was he wasn't lieing. Speed just takes an offense to the next level.
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The dominance that speed can bring in the college game was never more evident than the 06 Title game between UF and OSU. OSU was a great team, who beat a very good Texas team on the road.....but got demolished by the Gators speed. In the college game at least, I will take speed and athleticism every time..... good coaches can teach the rest.
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
The dominance that speed can bring in the college game was never more evident than the 06 Title game between UF and OSU. OSU was a great team, who beat a very good Texas team on the road.....but got demolished by the Gators speed. In the college game at least, I will take speed and athleticism every time..... good coaches can teach the rest.
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The only speed that Florida beat OSU on was the line. Kinda hard to do anything well when your QB is on his back before he can drop back, or when the 2nd level is getting blocked by the OL as soon as possible.
 
#57
#57
Speed is great BUT if you cant block or pass rush you wont win.
UFs offense did not beat OSU, it was those speed demon DE's.
 
#58
#58
bburger991 said:
The only speed that Florida beat OSU on was the line. Kinda hard to do anything well when your QB is on his back before he can drop back, or when the 2nd level is getting blocked by the OL as soon as possible.
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UF also had receivers running wide open, and the UF CB's were fast enough to not worry about getting beat deep by the OSU WR's. Speed won that game.
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
UF also had receivers running wide open, and the UF CB's were fast enough to not worry about getting beat deep by the OSU WR's. Speed won that game.
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Auburn beat that same FL team 27-17 in pure slobberknocker fashion.

You'll never, ever, hear me badmouth speed as an asset. Having said that I've lost some of my fascination with being fleet means you are a better football player than someone who might be a bit less so. If you're a burner, fantastic! I love it! If you aren't but keep getting the ball down the field and in the endzone or making the plays on D then you can play on my team anytime.
 
#60
#60
velovol said:
Speed is great BUT if you cant block or pass rush you wont win.
UFs offense did not beat OSU, it was those speed demon DE's.
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Are you serious. They couldn't even stop them. Florida made OSU play in space and let they're speed take the game over. Also there were times that Troy Smith had time but his receivers couldn't shake free. I agree the Florida D was dominant up front. But they weren't the only reason that the Gators won.
 
#61
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hndog609 said:
Auburn beat that same FL team 27-17 in pure slobberknocker fashion.

You'll never, ever, hear me badmouth speed as an asset. Having said that I've lost some of my fascination with being fleet means you are a better football player than someone who might be a bit less so. If you're a burner, fantastic! I love it! If you aren't but keep getting the ball down the field and in the endzone or making the plays on D then you can play on my team anytime.
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That Aub. team was very fast on D that's why they stopped Florida.
 
#62
#62
so youre theory is every team that wins was a result of just speed.
guess ole miss had more speed on that day in sept than UF. Or Oregon than USC.

if only we could get 0ne star stephain raines on the field because he looks like he runs a 4.3 on video in one of the weaker divisions of SC HS FBALL. Then we would have all the speed we need.
 
#63
#63
velovol said:
so youre theory is every team that wins was a result of just speed.
guess ole miss had more speed on that day in sept than UF. Or Oregon than USC.

if only we could get 0ne star stephain raines on the field because he looks like he runs a 4.3 on video in one of the weaker divisions of SC HS FBALL. Then we would have all the speed we need.
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No I'm not saying that. I'm just saying 90% of the time the faster and more physical team wins. You have to be Physical that's no doubt about it. But on top of that speed is a great weapon. Also me trying to get Raines on the field is just trying to get the best athletes on the field. I don't see how we could do worse on punt returns. I mean we block like heck for G.Jones but he can't ever take it to the house. But other teams have more than one player that can break it when they put them back there.
 
#64
#64
Lockdown1 said:
That Aub. team was very fast on D that's why they stopped Florida.
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So it's all about FL's speed...until they get beat...then it's Auburn's speed on defense. Moving the goalposts a bit perhaps?

I've said it before that while speed is wonderful it guarantees nothing. The issue isn't in wanting speed, that's a good thing, it's the willingness to often try to hype "player x" over "player y" just because X is faster. It's entirely possible (and happens constantly) that Y is a hell of a lot better football player. Just use some discretion.
 
#65
#65
hndog609 said:
So it's all about FL's speed...until they get beat...then it's Auburn's speed on defense. Moving the goalposts a bit perhaps?

I've said it before that while speed is wonderful it guarantees nothing. The issue isn't in wanting speed, that's a good thing, it's the willingness to often try to hype "player x" over "player y" just because X is faster. It's entirely possible (and happens constantly) that Y is a hell of a lot better football player. Just use some discretion.
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The thing is when we have a RB like Arian Foster that is gaining yards but can't finish drives off get a faster guy in there that will finish off our drives with TDs not fumbles.
 
#66
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Lockdown1 said:
The thing is when we have a RB like Arian Foster that is gaining yards but can't finish drives off get a faster guy in there that will finish off our drives with TDs not fumbles.[/quote]

I actually believe that if you took away Foster's impossibly ill-timed fumbles people's issues with his speed would have been cut at least by half. I hate it for him but I think the fumbles he made (and where and when he made them) just spoiled him for many. At that point a lot of the speed issues were just piling on. I saw guys get run down all weekend but they made good catches or runs before they were caught. That's still making a play in my book.

Now, if we're talking about somebody that actually brings the jets along with the rest of the package, hey, we be speaking the same language.
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#67
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hndog609 said:
Lockdown1 said:
The thing is when we have a RB like Arian Foster that is gaining yards but can't finish drives off get a faster guy in there that will finish off our drives with TDs not fumbles.[/quote]

I actually believe that if you took away Foster's impossibly ill-timed fumbles people's issues with his speed would have been cut at least by half. I hate it for him but I think the fumbles he made (and where and when he made them) just spoiled him for many. At that point a lot of the speed issues were just piling on. I saw guys get run down all weekend but they made good catches or runs before they were caught. That's still making a play in my book.

Now, if we're talking about somebody that actually brings the jets along with the rest of the package, hey, we be speaking the same language.
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That's what I'm talking about. Not track guys. But fast football players.
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#68
#68
I don't know why Foster wussed out right before seasons end with that "thigh bruise" just to lose his chance at the records(career yds/games started), but if it was for any reason other than family issues or Chris Lofton-like cancer, I will never forgive him and will strike him from the list of great Vol football players. Although he looked like Arian of old against Kentucky, it didn't change my mind about how he quit the previous games.
 
#69
#69
I will also add that he doesn't have to prove anything to me or anybody else...but I doubt he even prove anything to HIMSELF with his effort this season.
 
#71
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govols87 said:
I don't know why Foster wussed out right before seasons end with that "thigh bruise" just to lose his chance at the records(career yds/games started), but if it was for any reason other than family issues or Chris Lofton-like cancer, I will never forgive him and will strike him from the list of great Vol football players. Although he looked like Arian of old against Kentucky, it didn't change my mind about how he quit the previous games.
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A deep thigh bruise is probably one of the most severe, non major injuries that a RB can have.
 
#72
#72
govols87 said:
I don't know why Foster wussed out right before seasons end with that "thigh bruise" just to lose his chance at the records(career yds/games started), but if it was for any reason other than family issues or Chris Lofton-like cancer, I will never forgive him and will strike him from the list of great Vol football players. Although he looked like Arian of old against Kentucky, it didn't change my mind about how he quit the previous games.
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Just wondering, but have you considered, even remotely, the possibility that he was in fact injured to the point they thought it better he sit? I'm not sure if you've ever experienced the joy that is a deep thigh bruise but if that's what it was I'd have taken some time off too.
 
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