Space Exploration

Are NASA's future missions and budget justified?

  • It's worth the time and expenditures

    Votes: 225 65.8%
  • Complete waste of money

    Votes: 42 12.3%
  • We need to explore, but not at the current cost

    Votes: 75 21.9%

  • Total voters
    342
I remember a couple years ago talking to my friends about rail gun technology (guass/magnetic rifles whatever you want to call it) and why the military wasn't working on it, then he linked me a video of them testing it and a couple articles about it. That's futuristic video game stuff and we have it, and the military is willing to let us know about it.
 
Only 44 years separated the milestones of the first plane flight and the sound barrier being broken. Its silly for anyone to suggest that "warp" or lightspeed technology couldn't possibly be achieved even in our lifetime.

That would be exciting beyond belief. I would love to see it happen just not very hopeful since we as a country have not put much emphasis on exploration over the last 30 years.
 
Ken Ham wants to end the U.S. space program because the aliens are all going to hell - Salon.com

On Sunday, Ken Ham, president and founder of the creationist organization Answers in Genesis (best known for debating Bill Nye), wrote a blog post calling for the end of the U.S. space program.

Why? Well, according to Ham, who also runs the Creation Museum in Kentucky, there’s no point in spending money on finding extraterrestrial life for a couple of reasons: First, the search is a deliberate rebuking of God, and second because aliens are already damned to hell.
 
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Well, 99.9% of humans in history are damned to hell as well, so I see no reason to discriminate on that basis.
 
I think its stupid to say its going against God, because I am assuming that its because aliens arent specifically mentioned in the Bible. Wonder if he believes there were ever dinosaurs?

Sure, Jesus and the humans were chilling with the dinos. Check out his museum.
 
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I thought that had to be satire; was certain. Apparently not. Actual thoughts from more a caricature than a man.

I read it yesterday and thanked ham for putting my god in a box for me and telling me what he can and can't do.
 
“It’s OK not to know all the answers,” Tyson said. “It’s better to admit our ignorance, than to believe answers that might be wrong. Pretending to know everything, closes the door to finding out what’s really there.”

This I agree with, the what Ken Ham was saying makes me want to bash my head into a wall. This is coming from a devout Christian.

88 I agree whole-heartedly.
 
NASA scientists map out 101 geysers on a Saturn moon - CNN.com

On the surface of one of Saturn's icy moons, scientists have discovered the possible existence of a very important, life-sustaining element: liquid water.

NASA scientists announced Monday the identification of 101 distinct geysers erupting on Saturn's moon Enceladus. Their analysis suggests that water, a crucial component for life beyond our planet, can reach the Saturnian moon's surface.

First sighted in 2005, the geysers erupt from four "tiger stripe" fractures along the moon's south polar terrain and spew tiny ice particles and water vapor, NASA said in news release.

After seven years of collecting mission data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft, scientists found the geysers to be powered by small hot spots -- the result of water vapor condensing and venting from subsurface seawater; thus, answering questions about the geysers' origins.
 
Concerning aliens going to hell specifically, can anyone argue he is theologically wrong? Would legitimately like to hear the argument otherwise.

Sure:

You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation.

The Bible does not make it clear that the original sin affected the whole universe. Exactly where does it state that? Furthermore, if aliens aren't Adam's descendants, how can they be affected anyway?

Dude's a kook.
 
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The Bible does not make it clear that the original sin affected the whole universe. Exactly where does it state that? Furthermore, if aliens aren't Adam's descendants, how can they be affected anyway?

Dude's a kook.

Do other planets have their own versions of Adam, Eve, and Jesus?
 
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Do other planets have their own versions of Adam, Eve, and Jesus?

This is kind of where I was going. Was Jesus just sent here? Did God have other sons that lived on planets that provided salvation? Is original sin specific to our planet? Because aliens weren't affected by adam's sin, are they automatically bound for heaven?

Dude may be a kook, but the bible doesn't spell these things out as far as I know, so if his position is kooky, it is no more kooky than the other position. No?
 
This is kind of where I was going. Was Jesus just sent here? Did God have other sons that lived on planets that provided salvation? Is original sin specific to our planet? Because aliens weren't affected by adam's sin, are they automatically bound for heaven?

Dude may be a kook, but the bible doesn't spell these things out as far as I know, so if his position is kooky, it is no more kooky than the other position. No?

So you believe in aliens?
 
NASA's Mars rover Opportunity breaks off-world driving record

NASA's Opportunity rover on Mars has now boldly gone farther than any vehicle has before on the surface of another world, space agency officials announced July 28.

As of July 27, the Opportunity rover has driven 25.01 miles on the Red Planet, NASA officials said. The distance record had been held by the Soviet Union's remote-controlled Lunokhod 2 rover, which covered 24.2 miles on the moon back in 1973.

"Opportunity has driven farther than any other wheeled vehicle on another world," Opportunity project manager John Callas, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, said in a statement. "This is so remarkable considering Opportunity was intended to drive about one kilometer and was never designed for distance. But what is really important is not how many miles the rover has racked up, but how much exploration and discovery we have accomplished over that distance."
 
This is kind of where I was going. Was Jesus just sent here? Did God have other sons that lived on planets that provided salvation? Is original sin specific to our planet? Because aliens weren't affected by adam's sin, are they automatically bound for heaven?

Dude may be a kook, but the bible doesn't spell these things out as far as I know, so if his position is kooky, it is no more kooky than the other position. No?

Yeah, it is where Mormonism comes in handy with respect to Christianity. At least they have scripture and theology that covers these scenarios when other (mainstream) religions don't. Then again, mainstream Christianity doesn't exactly play nice when it comes to Mormonism.

As for the specific questions above, if we are to assume only one God for the multiverse, mainstream religion holds that humans were made in God's image. This would seem to indicate (at least to me) that all such creations would be relatively the same and function relatively the same. If each planet were to have an Adam and Eve, they would all fall into sin eventually given they have free will and time goes to infinity (similar to Godwin's Law). So in a sense, original sin would apply universally because one would think if such a doctrine is just here on Earth by a perfect deity, then it would be just on another planet. Moreover, because of this sin, they would need a savior and would need a Jesus figure to save them.

If God's sovereignty extends only to Earth or this solar system, then all bets are off. Other God's would have different rules, different creativity, etc.
 
This is kind of where I was going. Was Jesus just sent here? Did God have other sons that lived on planets that provided salvation? Is original sin specific to our planet? Because aliens weren't affected by adam's sin, are they automatically bound for heaven?

Dude may be a kook, but the bible doesn't spell these things out as far as I know, so if his position is kooky, it is no more kooky than the other position. No?

The Bible doesn't say either way so it's kind of an interesting position. It was written by man, for man, but inspired by God. So were things left out because they were beyond our comprehension at the time? I mean, aliens to mankind 3,000 years ago would have been as foreign as a computer or an airplane. Which does bring up a philosophical point...

Would aliens have been considered godlike to ancient man? I mean, the technology of today would be considered some form of godlike powers so surely the technology possessed by aliens would have believed to have been mystical in nature.

Drifting off your question, I know. Just an interesting side topic.

But the whole idea that aliens cannot be saved because Jesus wasn't on their planet is kind of idiotic. He (Ham) cannot guarantee that God didn't start life on other worlds and give them the Jesus equivalent. Because the Bible is specific to mankind on Earth, there is no basis for his claims. Unless he wants to say he's been speaking to God on a regular basis, he is just interpreting the Bible as many have before.
 
The Bible doesn't say either way so it's kind of an interesting position. It was written by man, for man, but inspired by God. So were things left out because they were beyond our comprehension at the time? I mean, aliens to mankind 3,000 years ago would have been as foreign as a computer or an airplane. Which does bring up a philosophical point...

Would aliens have been considered godlike to ancient man? I mean, the technology of today would be considered some form of godlike powers so surely the technology possessed by aliens would have believed to have been mystical in nature.

Drifting off your question, I know. Just an interesting side topic.

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But the whole idea that aliens cannot be saved because Jesus wasn't on their planet is kind of idiotic. He (Ham) cannot guarantee that God didn't start life on other worlds and give them the Jesus equivalent. Because the Bible is specific to mankind on Earth, there is no basis for his claims. Unless he wants to say he's been speaking to God on a regular basis, he is just interpreting the Bible as many have before.

He can certainly say that the Jesus of Earth wouldn't count for their salvation because they were not witnesses (unless looking through their telescopes at us). Thus, they would not have knowledge of Jesus's message.
 
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He can certainly say that the Jesus of Earth wouldn't count for their salvation because they were not witnesses (unless looking through their telescopes at us). Thus, they would not have knowledge of Jesus's message.

That picture never gets old lol

He can say that, but is he necessarily right? Like you pointed out, do they have their own version of "Jesus" that they believe provides them salvation? So he may be technically correct that our Jesus cannot offer them salvation. But to say they are doomed to hell because of that fact isn't correct because he cannot say beyond a reasonable doubt that God didn't provide a way of an alien salvation.

ETA: He's still a kook and gets far more attention than he deserves.
 

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