South Carolina held on at least 7 or 8 plays, all uncalled

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sjt18 said:
Seriously? Completely changed the complexion of the game.

I am very skeptical of Banks' ability but USCe's holding and getting away with it prevented UT from getting a pass rush. The lack of a pass rush led to EVERYTHING else.
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Pft…. Yeah the refs changed the complexion of the game.
 
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Volanooga2521 said:
I went back and watched and can post a bunch of screenshots. On almost every drive they scored, they got away with a hold on a critical play.
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Just stop. TN fans are gonna have to stop with EVERY time we lose the refs are the biggest reason. The refs had little to do with us getting mollywopped by SC. I guarantee if you went back and studied close enough we got away with a ton of holding calls.

Stop with the freaking ref excuses every time TN loses.
 
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Volanooga2521 said:
I went back and watched and can post a bunch of screenshots. On almost every drive they scored, they got away with a hold on a critical play.
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Please don't do what the Bammers did..we got our a$$ kicked and a few holding calls are irrelevant and wouldn't have changed that.
 
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#59
Refereeing is all about keeping the game safe, fast, fun and fair. If both teams are holding at the line pretty much every snap, you just let 'em play. Call the egregious violations and do it even-handedly. Penalties happen every play. If you call 'em all, the game will drag on forever.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sure it was. Here is the VN logic. If we play bad and lose then the refs made terrible calls against us. But when we win I dominating fashion, it has nothing to do with the refs. It’s silly.
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It's not just VN it's every UT board I go to....I'm on a actual chat during games and it's darn near comical listening to UT fans complain about refs on darn near every good play by the other team....he held...the right tackle held...the TE held big time....that was pass interference etc...etc.....But not one word about UT doing anything wrong...

It's human nature I guess to only see it one way....I was watching a thread on a UT site during the TCU game and by UT fans accounts TCU was committing a penalty on every play....But Baylor never did because UT fans were pulling for Baylor and TCU to lose.....It was the same in the OSU-IL game on OSU but not IL.....Same in the Michigan game....I've told folks to just watch UT and see how many penalties they see that's not called...problem is they can't do it because they are UT fans and can't see it objectively......I spent 30 years on a football staff....I saw plenty of bad calls and no calls.....And it went both ways.
 
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We are past that point, just a smoking crater in the ground.

At the end of the day refereeing is an issue at every level, teach my MS & HS kids we need to play well enough where the refs have a low probability of affecting the game's outcome. Expect it to suck and be inconsistent, so plan and prepare for it.
 
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djwes said:
We are past that point, just a smoking crater in the ground.

At the end of the day refereeing is an issue at every level, teach my MS & HS kids we need to play well enough where the refs have a low probability of affecting the game's outcome. Expect it to suck and be inconsistent, so plan and prepare for it.
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Yep....We told our players to not put the game in the hands of the ref....If you make the refs make a choice it will go against you a lot of the time. Example....do not fumble and let them make a choice on who got the ball.
 
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#66
While you can’t blame this all on the refs by any means, they did seem to have an agenda. I don’t get why, you think it woulda been better for the conference for us to win. But whatever. Maybe they were butthurt we helped killed Bamas playoff dreams
 
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Every team holds. Go back and watch the game when we played Bama. We held alot and didnt get called .stop acting like we're always the victim . And the refs are the reason we got prison raped
 
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#69
They got away with a lot of BS, but the refs can’t spot a team 63 points no matter how bad the officiating.
 
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#70
It was frustrating watching multiple playoff contenders get bailed out by the refs Saturday and we couldn’t get a call to save our lives. You could easily argue TCU and Michigan were saved by officiating.
 
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Vanhalo said:
So.
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Big hairy deal. It's the SEC, it literally happens every game. Not to mention, across the board, some of the worst officiating in the country. Everybody has to deal with it and everybody benefits, from time to time..

It's absolutely NO excuse for the defensive sh!t show we witnessed Saturday night...
 
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Vanhalo said:
Pft…. Yeah the refs changed the complexion of the game.
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Well, if you are too dumb to recognize that it does happen... and recognize when it is happening... then I can't help you. No one can. If you can stomach it, go back and watch and focus on their OL. There were several very, very obvious holds on plays where the camera angle allowed you to see. I'm not talking about the normal stuff. I'm talking about DT's with their bodies fully past the OL reaching for the QB and being pulled back by a double handed grip on their shoulder pad. Spraggins was called for the SAME THING twice. There was at least one occasion when the OL grabbed, held, and stretched the jersey of a UT pass rusher... FROM BEHIND. On one of their better run players #6 was held so clearly that the OL's arm was wrapped completely around him and stretching his number to the point you couldn't read it.

Yeah. They called holding on UT's OL and did not call it on USCe for the same thing. Maybe honest "judgment calls". Maybe honest missed calls. Maybe a bias. But it DID change the complexion of the game in their favor.
 
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Vanhalo said:
This is wasted energy IMHO
all irrelevant if your defense is in the top 50.
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Well, no. You want find me using this as an excuse for Banks. He was outcoached and out-schemed thoroughly. There have been a lot of indications of it all year long. The dam broke vs USCe. I really like Heupel and for the most part his staff. But IMO Banks was the weakest hire from the start and has demonstrated himself to be the weak link over the last 24 games. I have nothing personal against him. Maybe his contribution to the culture is enough that they take a chance on letting him grow on the job. I am not in a position to make that call or condemn Heupel for whatever he decides. However to believe it is a "talent issue"... you'd have to believe that UT has less talent than Mizzou, Vandy, and several relatively untalented teams.

If I am not mistaken UT has allowed most of their opponents more points and yardage than those opponents average for the year. In coaching and playing, some guys do all the "technical" things right but their decisions in games just don't work. We saw that with JG at QB. We saw it repeatedly with Jones in game management situations. You see it with coordinators. You see it with UK's OC right now too. They might pop up and have a decent game here and there... but they just don't have "it" no matter how much you wish they did.


However, when the other team gets away with holding like they did then you lose the one thing that could save you... a pass rush. It was a HUGE part of why UT could get no pressure on Rattler... who has demonstrated time and again over the season that he doesn't play well under pressure.
 
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Volanooga2521 said:
Block in the back on the pass from Joyner to Rattler
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Read the rule and watch the entire play again.
  1. A block in the back is contact against an opponent occurring when the force of the initial contact is from behind and above the waist. When in question, the contact is at or below below the waist (see Clipping, Rule 2-5) (Rule 9-3-6) (A.R. 9-3-3-I-VII and A.R. 10-2-2-XII).
The initial contact was not in the back. The player spun away from the block and ended up getting "blocked" in the back. That's not a penalty.
 
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