Source of O-Line Woes?

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robtom said:
LOL, here we go....Nasty Jack....watch his film b4 he got hurt. He was horrible and only played because he threatened to quit and his daddy pumped a lot of cash to CBJ. And this is FACT
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He started as a true freshmen against Alabama and held his own against one of the best defensive fronts ever assembled. After that we saw the same thing we saw far too often under the BSIA. He started regressing.
 
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05_never_again said:
I really, really hope Phil isn't getting involved in specifics in these discussions.

Phil own offensive lines, and his entire teams, were nothing to write home about late in his tenure. He's 15+ years removed from his last truly great team.
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We went to the sec championship game and won 10 games in 2007. That offensive line only allowed 3 sacks all season. 3 sacks... we'd be arguing we had the best OL in the sec if it only allowed 3 sacks this year. Revisionist history
 
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I am no expert but have to agree with those here that point towards S&C. Phil has said it, it takes 2-3yrs for an offensive lineman to be physically ready (trey smith's and michael munoz's are outliers). Don't forget how Nebraska physically dominated everyone with no-name lineman. S&C and development is key. You don't have to have 5* studs across the line to field a formidable unit.
 
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- Poorly coached upper classmen (as a group),
- S&C is way behind
- Need more talent and competition.
- They re all basically FResque will a very different scheme than what they all ran.
- A lot of guys we started with were coming off injury and or transfer and got going late. Since then we ve lost 1 for the year and another is just struggling to get back ready.
 
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No way the recruiting sites missed on all these guys. They have had little coaching and strength gain. Smith is just a natural strong guy.
In Pruitt’s press conference after ETSU he said something that shed some light on what the coaches are trying to instill, discipline. He stated they are still teaching these kids how to act in the hotels, how to dress before games, and how to act. Discipline will cure the details currently missing. How long it takes is the question.
 
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rickyb712 said:
TOUGHNESS AND NASTY STREAK> WE DON'T HAVE IT.
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J.Johnson, Smith, and Hall do. Especially Johnson. JJ is lost sometimes right now tho and undersized. Hall can't stay on the field to show it. Smith is a beast, but even he is in a totally new philosophy (right or wrong) from the previous staff's finesse zone blocking schemes.

Like someone said above. It's a complex set of problems here. I expect them to be better by the 2nd half of the season. Especially if Chance makes a full return.
 
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We may not have the best talent in the SEC but we have way better talent than the last two teams we played. We are short on experience, especially in the blocking schemes we are currently using.
The oline is getting better. There were many fewer busted assignments than in the previous games, and we got better push. It seems the line is getting there, though painfully slow. What else would you expect given the zone schemes used by CBJ, the past few years.
If we can stay healthy the oline will get the job done in the last 4 games.
Helton has been calling plays to develop his players, not to run up the score. I like what I see in the foations we use. We have been very vanilla so far, but the o is working.
Make no mistake this is an offense based on a power running game giving the D all it can handle. Then the wrinkles are thrown in that eat yards.
This past week we added the QB scramble and direct snap to RB. We have an intermediat passing game we haven’t even seen yet. I expect to see it this week if the oline can pass protect pong enough.
Helton will be ok, he knows what he is doing.
This reminds me of coach cuts days. Each week new/additional offense is added.
 
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sjt18 said:
Did you mean to say Pruitt? If so... yeah... a lot of these comments sound like the ones we heard 5 years ago. The difference to me is that for all his flaws Dooley didn't try to reinvent offense in the SEC. Jones saw himself as an innovator. Dooley may have been too "CEO" in his approach but Chaney and Pittman were better at developing OL's than Jones and any combination of offensive assistants he had.
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It's funny how everybody forgets that if we could have stopped anybody just one more time per game, Dooley's offense would have out-scored everybody. We put up some big time numbers offensively, unfortunately his late game management was awful. Missouri OT game...Good grief.
 
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ssukonic said:
I think a big part of what they were missing was a big time strength and conditioning coach. Now, I think we have that. But it will take some time for these guys to get bigger and stronger so they can get that "push up front." It doesn't come overnight. It's hard to be patient......but it will just take some time.
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And it doesn't come during the season either, they're in maintenance mode then just trying to maintain weight and strength gains acquired in the offseason, but the offseason is where the hard work in the weight room gets put in.
 
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robtom said:
LOL, here we go....Nasty Jack....watch his film b4 he got hurt. He was horrible and only played because he threatened to quit and his daddy pumped a lot of cash to CBJ. And this is FACT
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Ok, whatever you say man. He definitely was not horrible but if you think so that's your opinion. I know what I saw sitting right there in Neyland but everybody has an OPINION.
 
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05_never_again said:
I really, really hope Phil isn't getting involved in specifics in these discussions.

Phil own offensive lines, and his entire teams, were nothing to write home about late in his tenure. He's 15+ years removed from his last truly great team.
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Amen.

I seriously doubt DD messed with Phil's game planning and he should leave Pruitt alone.


Too many chef's tends to spoil the meal..
 
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Given the level of competition in the SEC on a weekly basis, those recruiting rankings aren't particularly impressive.

I dont feel like Jones ever got it through his head that the SEC is a line of scrimmage league.

Best way to build a roster is from the line out and adding depth every single year as opposed to collecting skill players like having 11-13 wide receivers on a roster as we saw with Lyle. He also went for the smaller guys as has been alluded to already.

Don't think you can point at one particular issue with the O line. It's a lack of talent, lack of conditioning, and they don't look very prepared through the first 3 games.
 
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GRN1926 said:
We went to the sec championship game and won 10 games in 2007. That offensive line only allowed 3 sacks all season. 3 sacks... we'd be arguing we had the best OL in the sec if it only allowed 3 sacks this year. Revisionist history
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Not really.

That 2007 team was humiliated by FL and Bama and struggled in multiple other games but managed to squeak out wins against SC and KY to help win the East.
 
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rusty11 said:
It's funny how everybody forgets that if we could have stopped anybody just one more time per game, Dooley's offense would have out-scored everybody. We put up some big time numbers offensively, unfortunately his late game management was awful. Missouri OT game...Good grief.
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I would give Chaney the vast majority of the credit... but yeah the O became pretty good under Dooley.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Crazy we had UGA's current offensive coaching staff working for us under Dooley. Now they are world beaters at UGA.
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What’s crazy is both wanted to stay.
Butch didn’t even interview as far as I know. Pittman loved it here and told me this personally right after Dooley was fired.
Chaney is an odd guy and I don’t think he would have put up with Butch well or long. I think he would have seen right through that carnival barker crap.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Given the level of competition in the SEC on a weekly basis, those recruiting rankings aren't particularly impressive.

I dont feel like Jones ever got it through his head that the SEC is a line of scrimmage league.

Best way to build a roster is from the line out and adding depth every single year as opposed to collecting skill players like having 11-13 wide receivers on a roster as we saw with Lyle. He also went for the smaller guys as has been alluded to already.

Don't think you can point at one particular issue with the O line. It's a lack of talent, lack of conditioning, and they don't look very prepared through the first 3 games.
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Absolutely. Butch blew it when he was able to sign 30+ and didn’t sign at least 6 Olinemen.

When you see how many Oline commits we have, plus still going after one more l, I think that tells you all you need to know about the quality.
But, as you alluded to, they don’t look very prepared, which concerns me about this staff. We’re not asking them to beat Alabama. Just don’t get pushed around by ETSU.
 
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The O line gave up a sack on more than 15% of Guarantano's pass attempts last year, this year it is down to 8%, so certainly an improvement.
 
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It’s one thing to see them get beat then it’s another to see them blow assignments. The number of plays this year where multiple O-lineman don’t touch a souls has been mind boggling. Just get in someone’s way.
 
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I think CJP has no illusions about his ability to coach. He's a football guy all the way. Whether you think he is a defensive genius is up to you. I think he knows what it takes to win and it isn't gimmicks. It's hard nosed football and that's what I hear him saying all the time. He doesn't consider himself an offensive genius obviously, and I don't think he wants an offense that is "unique", I think what he is looking for on both sides of the ball and special teams is guys who have talent, are coached well and have the right mental attitude along with a game plan that if executed well enough will be way better than anything we've seen since the late 90's and if he gets that maybe even better things can happen.

Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread, but still.
 
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Source of OL woes?

They aren’t very good

Glad I could help

...to be serious, it takes awhile for the OL to learn a new system. It’s pro set, pro pass, not the spread system. Honestly, it’s just growing pains and expect it to look better later in the year
 
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Roustabout said:
What’s crazy is both wanted to stay.
Butch didn’t even interview as far as I know. Pittman loved it here and told me this personally right after Dooley was fired.
Chaney is an odd guy and I don’t think he would have put up with Butch well or long. I think he would have seen right through that carnival barker crap.
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Those two are good buds and both are big cut ups, especially Chaney, he’s a funny guy. But, totally agree, Butch’s #1 mistake at TN was letting Pittman go. Think of the linemen he had his first year, seasoned NFL talent guys.
 
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