Soooooo Peterman........

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I don't like the prospect of either QB starting...Dobbs was a little better then Petermans but too many turnovers between them to make me comfortable. Rhythm of the offense was simply off. What is Worley's status?
 
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DaddyChad said:
Good lord you people are like two year old kids. WTF have we got to choose right now?

*Fact: Worley won the first significant game in a long time at UT.
*Fact: We are stuck with Dobbs as the QB right now likely for the remainder of regular season minimum.
*Fact: Dobbs showed some flashes of greatness and some utter inexperience with some terrible decisions like most true freshman QBs with potential.

Now can we quit tearing one or the other down and support both since it just makes sense given the situation?
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No.

This makes too much sense.

I personally hope they give Dobbs the chance to develop the rest of the season and leave the depth chart alone barring injury.
 
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Hate to say this because I want EVERY Vol to succeed, but this may be a situation where Peterman is made available in case we're getting killed. We don't want Worley, Ferguson, and Dobbs injured all at the same time.

Nate's a tough kid - if the game gets away from us, he just might get his chance to see the field again.
 
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Dobbs looked good. His first start, away game, against a HOT team. He looked great on the read option that broke for a long run. We need more of that. Worley never looked confident in his passing and he never keeps the ball on the read option. Last year when he got in, he was throwing that thing like a baseball. Not so this year. The ball has no zip to it, he throws it at their feet or behind them. Dobbs has hit guys on the money when he needed to. He had 300+ yds in his first start! He hit Smith right in the HANDS IN STRIDE and it was dropped. That change the complexion of the game right there. This will be another tough week against a HOT team. But Dobbs has another week of reps and should improve. I think we should stick with him the rest of the year. He could become the next Condredge Holloway. wouldn't that be neat to watch?
 
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these are fun to read but I am glad CBJ makes the decisions based on what he and the coaches see during the week, month, season. GBO
 
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Aday25 said:
I don't like the prospect of either QB starting...Dobbs was a little better then Petermans but too many turnovers between them to make me comfortable. Rhythm of the offense was simply off. What is Worley's status?
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chatt-townVOL said:
South Carolina and Mizzou want you to know you're wrong
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For a generally smart commenter, this is not an intelligent comment.

If you really think Worley would have done any better than JD against Mizzou, you need to re-evaluate some things. That's one of the best defenses in the league. Considering Dobbs was throwing it all over the yard and it still wasn't opening up the run game, I can only imagine how much worse it might have been if Josh wasn't playing.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
For a generally smart commenter, this is not an intelligent comment.

If you really think Worley would have done any better than JD against Mizzou, you need to re-evaluate some things. That's one of the best defenses in the league. Considering Dobbs was throwing it all over the yard and it still wasn't opening up the run game, I can only imagine how much worse it might have been if Josh wasn't playing.
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I consider myself someone who knows how to call a spade a spade. Worley sucked when the year started out, and I told everyone he sucked. He spent every game throwing off his back foot and making poor decisions.

Worley got better. Much better. IMO he pretty much had a Crompton-esque turnaround. I have been nothing but impressed with Worley lately. He could have picked that secondary apart the way he has been picking everyone's secondary apart lately. We still would have lost, but we would have had a much better showing with Worley in the game. Mizzou knew what they were doing. They game-planned against our run. Their plan all along was to make Dobbs throw, wouldn't have been the case with Worley in the game.

Now back to calling a spade a spade. Dobbs isn't good. His passes are wobbly and slow. For everything good he did, he did something bad as well. He made TERRIBLE decisions on several occasions. It rarely felt like he got much of a momentum going, but every time he did he would stop it dead in its tracks with costly turnovers. He may be good one day, maybe one day soon, but that day was not last Saturday.
 
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Although, I've said before that I'd rather have a dinged up but ultimately playable Worley behind Dobbs, this is very, very good news. 1. It may allow the coaches more freedom to let Dobbs run and/or open up the playbook without as much worry 2. Ut can obviously help preserve Fergy's redshirt and we bad need him to RS and compete in the Spring/Summer for the job.

I could probably come up with more reasons but I'm feeling a bit lazy and y'all get the point. It's in Ferguson's best interest to redshirt -- it woul've been in Dobbs' too but we had little choice given the situation at Bama. While I think Dobbs is our future and will barring injury at least finish out the season as our starter, I also think Fergy may be our future as well just at a different time.

Both are going to be studs, imo. We are truly blessed to have these two young men.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I consider myself someone who knows how to call a spade a spade. Worley sucked when the year started out, and I told everyone he sucked. He spent every game throwing off his back foot and making poor decisions.

Worley got better. Much better. IMO he pretty much had a Crompton-esque turnaround. I have been nothing but impressed with Worley lately. He could have picked that secondary apart the way he has been picking everyone's secondary apart lately. We still would have lost, but we would have had a much better showing with Worley in the game. Mizzou knew what they were doing. They game-planned against our run. Their plan all along was to make Dobbs throw, wouldn't have been the case with Worley in the game.

Now back to calling a spade a spade. Dobbs isn't good. His passes are wobbly and slow. For everything good he did, he did something bad as well. He made TERRIBLE decisions on several occasions. It rarely felt like he got much of a momentum going, but every time he did he would stop it dead in its tracks with costly turnovers. He may be good one day, maybe one day soon, but that day was not last Saturday.
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First off, his passes have much more velocity than Worley's.

Nevermind the fact the staff completely panicked and abandoned the run game against a very good D-
line. Maybe that's the offense never gained momentum, perhaps? Because it became one-dimensional?

One pick was caused by a defender smacking his arm as he threw the ball, the other was his fault, and the fumble was bad.

He also showed he's more capable of running the ball.

It's really easy to say Worley would have done better, because he didn't play. Saying a bunch of hypothetical drivel is pointless. Dobbs had two TD passes dropped and quit on. That's not his fault. He looked fine and will continue to progress.
 
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Aday25 said:
I don't like the prospect of either QB starting...Dobbs was a little better then Petermans but too many turnovers between them to make me comfortable. Rhythm of the offense was simply off. What is Worley's status?
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Dobbs looked better in his 12 throws against Alabama then Peterman looked his entire half against UF.
 
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jamesthesame said:
Peterman deserves another shot. Not against Auburn but maybe if we are up on Kentucky big.
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I agree on that. Florida played us with Easley on the DL...and they were probably the best DL in the country at the time. Hard to tell what you've got, when you have a DL in your face on every snap
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I consider myself someone who knows how to call a spade a spade. Worley sucked when the year started out, and I told everyone he sucked. He spent every game throwing off his back foot and making poor decisions.

Worley got better. Much better. IMO he pretty much had a Crompton-esque turnaround. I have been nothing but impressed with Worley lately. He could have picked that secondary apart the way he has been picking everyone's secondary apart lately. We still would have lost, but we would have had a much better showing with Worley in the game. Mizzou knew what they were doing. They game-planned against our run. Their plan all along was to make Dobbs throw, wouldn't have been the case with Worley in the game.

Now back to calling a spade a spade. Dobbs isn't good. His passes are wobbly and slow. For everything good he did, he did something bad as well. He made TERRIBLE decisions on several occasions. It rarely felt like he got much of a momentum going, but every time he did he would stop it dead in its tracks with costly turnovers. He may be good one day, maybe one day soon, but that day was not last Saturday.
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Dude you have got to be as disillusioned as a "call a spade a spade than I've ever witnessed. You have a TRUE freshman that's better in all facets of the game except experience. All you have to do is look up te statistics. Dobbs completed 61% Worley only did better against AP and was worse against Everybody including S. Alabama. On the read option he killed the plays because JW would never keep it so DE were not forced to read but could crash down, and hurt the running game. Theres no way moving on from Worley is a bad things at all. There's a reason he is from SC and Sparrow the qb and old ball coach didn't want him.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I consider myself someone who knows how to call a spade a spade. Worley sucked when the year started out, and I told everyone he sucked. He spent every game throwing off his back foot and making poor decisions.

Worley got better. Much better. IMO he pretty much had a Crompton-esque turnaround. I have been nothing but impressed with Worley lately. He could have picked that secondary apart the way he has been picking everyone's secondary apart lately. We still would have lost, but we would have had a much better showing with Worley in the game. Mizzou knew what they were doing. They game-planned against our run. Their plan all along was to make Dobbs throw, wouldn't have been the case with Worley in the game.

Now back to calling a spade a spade. Dobbs isn't good. His passes are wobbly and slow. For everything good he did, he did something bad as well. He made TERRIBLE decisions on several occasions. It rarely felt like he got much of a momentum going, but every time he did he would stop it dead in its tracks with costly turnovers. He may be good one day, maybe one day soon, but that day was not last Saturday.
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And also you talk about bad balls North doesn't make sports center top 10 if not for those miraculous catches of those bad balls against SC. Worley repeatedly throws balls behind and above his wrs so please relax. Last thing have you ever watched Peyton throw? It ain't about velocity at all times. It's touch and timing. Learn the game before you spat off about nothing.
 
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LA Vol said:
Good for us?
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Heck yea it's good! Now they open the offense more and fully utilize the running capabilities of Dobbs. If he gets banged up a bit on a run, then it's Peterman's turn again instead of having to burn the RS off of Ferguson. It is very important because the Vols don't expect to sign a QB in the 2014 class.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I consider myself someone who knows how to call a spade a spade. Worley sucked when the year started out, and I told everyone he sucked. He spent every game throwing off his back foot and making poor decisions.

Worley got better. Much better. IMO he pretty much had a Crompton-esque turnaround. I have been nothing but impressed with Worley lately. He could have picked that secondary apart the way he has been picking everyone's secondary apart lately. We still would have lost, but we would have had a much better showing with Worley in the game. Mizzou knew what they were doing. They game-planned against our run. Their plan all along was to make Dobbs throw, wouldn't have been the case with Worley in the game.

Now back to calling a spade a spade. Dobbs isn't good. His passes are wobbly and slow. For everything good he did, he did something bad as well. He made TERRIBLE decisions on several occasions. It rarely felt like he got much of a momentum going, but every time he did he would stop it dead in its tracks with costly turnovers. He may be good one day, maybe one day soon, but that day was not last Saturday.
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Your assessment of QB talent is simply terrible! Sounds like you'd be much better at playing cards.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Oh I'm not saying get him in at a meaningful time. I'm hoping we get him some reps in trash time to at least have someone as a backup if we should need him. Others are banged up and Ferguson doesn't need to burn his red shirt.
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Yeah that was an issue for me earlier in the year too. I didn't follow what hte coaches were doing by only playing Worley so much. Seemed like as much as Worley needed experience, so did Peterman. But over time I've had to admit to myself that Butch has spoken with his actions and so I just need to accept his plan I guess. When he says he's just trying to get to a bowl game, any bowl anywhere anytime, turns out he isn't kidding. So forget long-term future strategy with this current team, he's obviously decided that the future is in a recruiting class so for now just get by week to week.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I consider myself someone who knows how to call a spade a spade. Worley sucked when the year started out, and I told everyone he sucked. He spent every game throwing off his back foot and making poor decisions.

Worley got better. Much better. IMO he pretty much had a Crompton-esque turnaround. I have been nothing but impressed with Worley lately. He could have picked that secondary apart the way he has been picking everyone's secondary apart lately. We still would have lost, but we would have had a much better showing with Worley in the game. Mizzou knew what they were doing. They game-planned against our run. Their plan all along was to make Dobbs throw, wouldn't have been the case with Worley in the game.

Now back to calling a spade a spade. Dobbs isn't good. His passes are wobbly and slow. For everything good he did, he did something bad as well. He made TERRIBLE decisions on several occasions. It rarely felt like he got much of a momentum going, but every time he did he would stop it dead in its tracks with costly turnovers. He may be good one day, maybe one day soon, but that day was not last Saturday.
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You mean like the way he picked apart Alabama's secondary in the first half?

Look, I respect your opinions, but I think it's clear we're seeing drastically different things out of these last few games. Again, I've always been a Worley supporter, as I've said many times. I'll give you that JW is probably a better game manager at this time. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone - he's a junior and has had more time to learn the offense than JD. But as far as actual quarterback talent goes, the difference is real. Really, really, real. It's quite clear that JD has a higher ceiling than JW. And he is the QB of the future, most likely.

Finally, when a QB is posting stats like this yet the score is 31-3, you know he's not getting any help:

Tennessee had a season-high 42 pass attempts against Missouri. The Vols had just 24 rush attempts, one off of the season-low (23) set in the 31-17 loss at Florida on Sept. 21.

Dobbs completed 62 percent of those 42 pass attempts, throwing for 240 yards on 26 completions. He rushed seven times for 45 yards.

He accounted for just over 74 percent of Tennessee’s total plays, with 49 snaps either being a pass or run from Dobbs. His 285 total yards were seven more than Mizzou quarterback Maty Mauk’s 277 (163 passing, 114 rushing).

Those 285 total yards made up 85 percent of the Vols’ 334 yards of total offense. The 45 rush yards, which led the Vols, was nearly 48 percent of Tennessee’s 94 rushing yards as a team.
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(from Vols Notebook: Butch Jones breaks down Dobbs’ performance at Grant Ramey)
 
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