Sooners Backup QB

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vol94fan said:
Gave them a spark but only because by the time he got in the game, the game was over and the Vols had gone into prevent defense to let the clock run out. I'm guessing Arnold will be back out there before the season is over.
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Prevent defense to run the clock and make Oklahoma eat the clock. Even then Oklahoma had to fight for every yard, ended up bleeding the clock on themselves. Good win, protected your qb too.
 
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No he's better than Arnold. Remember he didn't get to prepare for us as a starter either. I think he'll be the Sooners starter the rest of the season and he'll play well. Similar to what Marcel Reed is doing at A&M.

We still win the game if he starts but he would have made the game a little more competitive. Still would've ended around 25-15. But instead of us building a huge lead and trying to milk out the clock, we probably would have had a more back and forth game for about 2.5 quarters before we pulled away.
 
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I’ll give that kid a ton of credit. He played hard. That’s their starter the rest of the season. If it’s not it should be
 
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vol94fan said:
Gave them a spark but only because by the time he got in the game, the game was over and the Vols had gone into prevent defense to let the clock run out. I'm guessing Arnold will be back out there before the season is over.
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I don't think Arnold was the whole problem in Saturday's game, but the OU fans and apparently the OU coaching staff (based on Venables calling him out in the post game presser) have made him the scapegoat. Not sure that's the whole story. But. It's what they're going with. No way he can stick around there, as there won't be any support for him going forward. Best he hits the road and gets a fresh start, and OU can see if Hawkins really is all that and a bag of chips. Not convinced of that either. Joel Klatt pointed out that OU changed their offensive philosophy for Hawkins in the second half. He said (he's a QB so I'm taking his assessment on this, as I didn't rewatch the game) that they seemed to drop the RPO concepts and focused on passing. I wonder to what degree that, rather than the guy under center, changed the tone for the last 30 minutes.
 
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Its my opinion that Venebles has ruined his qb1 and possibly his season. with video on hawkins, if teams figure him out and shut him down, it wont matter to the fans. they'll boo arnold on sight, and ruin his confidence further.

Getting ripped out of the game in the first real test of the season against a dangerous defense and thrown under the bus is not the way to go. Especially when you already chased another quarterback off the team.
 
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Hawkins is very limited as a QB this year. He cannot put the ball downfield in a vertical game. He’s a dink and dunk QB looking for an opportunity to run. OU does not have the OL to protect him for long and he probably has a tough season ahead of him as does the whole OU team. They are not built to contend week in and week out in the SEC.
 
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OU has problems all over the place on offense. The O-line is trash and their WR1 went down again. Arnold is history with OU, he will be in the portal in December. Hawkins looks the part and should do enough to beat Auburn. They have a week off than to get ready for The Red River shootout. They still have Bama and Ole Miss also. OU is about to find out what big boy SEC football is all about. After Auburn they only have one cupcake left on the schedule. They could wind up 5-7 if Hawkins fails.
 
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One thing no one is mentioning is the effect that Venables' treatment of a kid who was a 5-star prospect will have on their recruiting moving forward. What family of any highly rated QB in their right mind will even entertain the idea of sending their kid to a program that buried Arnold the way that Venables did in front of a national audience in his first real test?

None of us were on the sideline or in the locker room, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where Arnold isn't gone as soon as the season ends. Hawkins looks like a good athlete and change of pace, but not a complete QB, and certainly not a kid you want to build a national contender around. Venables is a great D-coordinator, but this is the kind of thing that could derail a program. We'll see.
 
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SoFloVFL said:
Still stupid of them to put him in with a minute left in the first half. They should have brought him out at the half. It let us know he was playing in the second half before halftime and we could make a few adjustments. That was one coaching decision I questioned from OU.
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I agree but I'm thinking he put him in, at that time, hoping to avoid boos going in at the half
 
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vol94fan said:
Gave them a spark but only because by the time he got in the game, the game was over and the Vols had gone into prevent defense to let the clock run out. I'm guessing Arnold will be back out there before the season is over.
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Our backs ups to our backups were in 😉
 
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After skinning Oklahoma, and making a loin cloth out of them, why should we care about their QBs?
 
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OU has made Hawkins their starting quarterback after his play in second half, but I keep hearing that we backed off on defense in second, even using the hated prevent defense. It did appear that he was able to do some things in the fourth quarter that he hadn’t done in the third quarter. I wonder what his performance would have looked like if we had stayed in our standard defense.
 
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I agree that Haskins probably looked better than he really is since we didn't prepare for him and he came in during 'garbage time'. But I also think Arnold looked like a 'deer in the headlights' out there and Haskins seemed much more in control of the offense.

I wouldn't call Arnold a 'bust' yet (he's what .... a redshirt Freshman?) but he definitely looks very far from being an SEC QB right now.
 
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OU has a brutal schedule left (but who in the SEC doesn't?). Out of their remaining top-25 opponents which do you see as wins? They have Texas, Ole Miss, Missouri, 'Bama and LSU (from the Top-25).
 
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apevol said:
Its my opinion that Venebles has ruined his qb1 and possibly his season. with video on hawkins, if teams figure him out and shut him down, it wont matter to the fans. they'll boo arnold on sight, and ruin his confidence further.

Getting ripped out of the game in the first real test of the season against a dangerous defense and thrown under the bus is not the way to go. Especially when you already chased another quarterback off the team.
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This. 2 qbs, 2 failures already for him.
 
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sami said:
One thing no one is mentioning is the effect that Venables' treatment of a kid who was a 5-star prospect will have on their recruiting moving forward. What family of any highly rated QB in their right mind will even entertain the idea of sending their kid to a program that buried Arnold the way that Venables did in front of a national audience in his first real test?

None of us were on the sideline or in the locker room, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where Arnold isn't gone as soon as the season ends. Hawkins looks like a good athlete and change of pace, but not a complete QB, and certainly not a kid you want to build a national contender around. Venables is a great D-coordinator, but this is the kind of thing that could derail a program. We'll see.
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I think derail a program is a bit much. There’s weird recruiting things fairly often. As long as it isn’t multiple in a row that have a clear common thread I don’t think it’ll matter enough to change entire recruiting for a school.

In everything in life there’s always a few that trash something and everyone expects that. It’s when trends start happening that it starts really hurting something. I doubt one scenerio will make much difference for them. Maybe in a couple people’s eyes they’ll have some extra questions but nothing major.

Look at all Heupel went up against and still got us going.
 
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