Something to watch going forward (UF, non-UGA)

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Obviously all focus in the program is on UGA this week. Absolutely massive game for the season and the program. Perhaps a narrative-changing game if we can win (which I've been pounding the table that we can all offseason).

That said, one major thing for down the road that I'm watching is UF. At 1-1 and the fires raging in Gainesville already, they're at LSU and then at Miami the next two weeks before a bye. Nearly 10 point dogs this weekend and likely the same or worse the following - if chalk holds they'll be 1-3 heading into a bye week after the all important 4-game mark when it comes to redshirts. Again, assuming they don't pull off a major road upset, Napier is a dead man walking whether they pull the trigger between Miami and Texas and then @A&M (!!!!) or not.

So, I'll be watching if any players on that roster make a business decision at that point to shut it down and not lose a redshirt year during a completely wasted season so that they can keep another year of getting paid for NIL on their resume. If so, which ones and how many? It's not a good roster to begin with IMO, but they do have some high level guys who will absolutely be fielding calls about the portal and getting business advice from their agents regardless of whether Napier is fired in September or a few weeks later. Does Lagway shut it down - if so they have nothing but walkons, lower rated freshmen, and Harrison Bailey behind him. What about some of their young skill talent, or their young DL?

Point being, this is no longer a world in which a team circles the wagons after a coach is fired. It's now every man for himself, which could, if things break right (i.e., favored teams TCB against Florida) make for a much easier game in Gainesville in November than anyone - even me and others who were skeptical of the UF preseason hype - contemplated.

Open for thoughts, Geaux Tigahs!
 
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I wouldn't be surprised to see some players opt for "shutting down their season" if the wheels fall off the bus. But I only see that for those dealing with nagging injuries. Injuries they could push through if necessary but what's the point if the season is over early. Someone like Lagway, for instance.
Coaching changes will result in increased portal loss. And by all accounts Napier is a good man and a good recruiter. A different personality...an abrasive one...would probably push an additional group of players out. My gut says those players look to go to Miami, or FSU first.
If UF hired a proven winner, I doubt even with a radical change in personality we would see much attrition.
 
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McDad said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see some players opt for "shutting down their season" if the wheels fall off the bus. But I only see that for those dealing with nagging injuries. Injuries they could push through if necessary but what's the point if the season is over early. Someone like Lagway, for instance.
Coaching changes will result in increased portal loss. And by all accounts Napier is a good man and a good recruiter. A different personality...an abrasive one...would probably push an additional group of players out. My gut says those players look to go to Miami, or FSU first.
If UF hired a proven winner, I doubt even with a radical change in personality we would see much attrition.
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Question is if a) they can hire a proven winner - they've failed for almost two decades, and b) when they would actually hire someone.

Also, the 4-game thing is the whole thing. What kid is going to be willing to burn a redshirt for either a fired coach or a dead man walking coach in a season that's headed for 3-9 at best?
 
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jvols1999 said:
Question is if a) they can hire a proven winner - they've failed for almost two decades, and b) when they would actually hire someone.

Also, the 4-game thing is the whole thing. What kid is going to be willing to burn a redshirt for either a fired coach or a dead man walking coach in a season that's headed for 3-9 at best?
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They can hire a proven winner. The recruiting alone is attractive even if the AD office is not stellar. I don't know who is considered a slam-dunk winner right now. There is the expected talk of Kiffin, Fisch, and the delusion of Saban, or Meyer coming to UF.

I do know that UF despises it when both Miami and FSU are good. There is a fair amount of "little man" syndrome in that fan base with those better programs.
 
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UF won't fire Napier till after the GA game. I believe the 1st week of Nov is generally when most firings happen. It gives the school roughly 1 month to conduct interviews and get someone hired and on the recruiting trail before early signing period.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Obviously all focus in the program is on UGA this week. Absolutely massive game for the season and the program. Perhaps a narrative-changing game if we can win (which I've been pounding the table that we can all offseason).

That said, one major thing for down the road that I'm watching is UF. At 1-1 and the fires raging in Gainesville already, they're at LSU and then at Miami the next two weeks before a bye. Nearly 10 point dogs this weekend and likely the same or worse the following - if chalk holds they'll be 1-3 heading into a bye week after the all important 4-game mark when it comes to redshirts. Again, assuming they don't pull off a major road upset, Napier is a dead man walking whether they pull the trigger between Miami and Texas and then @A&M (!!!!) or not.

So, I'll be watching if any players on that roster make a business decision at that point to shut it down and not lose a redshirt year during a completely wasted season so that they can keep another year of getting paid for NIL on their resume. If so, which ones and how many? It's not a good roster to begin with IMO, but they do have some high level guys who will absolutely be fielding calls about the portal and getting business advice from their agents regardless of whether Napier is fired in September or a few weeks later. Does Lagway shut it down - if so they have nothing but walkons, lower rated freshmen, and Harrison Bailey behind him. What about some of their young skill talent, or their young DL?

Point being, this is no longer a world in which a team circles the wagons after a coach is fired. It's now every man for himself, which could, if things break right (i.e., favored teams TCB against Florida) make for a much easier game in Gainesville in November than anyone - even me and others who were skeptical of the UF preseason hype - contemplated.

Open for thoughts, Geaux Tigahs!
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Not so sure a redshirt is gonna be very important going forward. The NCAA is looking at a straight 5 years to play 5 concept. The portal has also made a huge difference in building a competitive roster year to year. It's just a crap shoot these days.
 
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Batman1948 said:
Not so sure a redshirt is gonna be very important going forward. The NCAA is looking at a straight 5 years to play 5 concept. The portal has also made a huge difference in building a competitive roster year to year. It's just a crap shoot these days.
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I forgot about the 5 year thing. Also, didn't know the ncaa was considering a policy change.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Obviously all focus in the program is on UGA this week. Absolutely massive game for the season and the program. Perhaps a narrative-changing game if we can win (which I've been pounding the table that we can all offseason).

That said, one major thing for down the road that I'm watching is UF. At 1-1 and the fires raging in Gainesville already, they're at LSU and then at Miami the next two weeks before a bye. Nearly 10 point dogs this weekend and likely the same or worse the following - if chalk holds they'll be 1-3 heading into a bye week after the all important 4-game mark when it comes to redshirts. Again, assuming they don't pull off a major road upset, Napier is a dead man walking whether they pull the trigger between Miami and Texas and then @A&M (!!!!) or not.

So, I'll be watching if any players on that roster make a business decision at that point to shut it down and not lose a redshirt year during a completely wasted season so that they can keep another year of getting paid for NIL on their resume. If so, which ones and how many? It's not a good roster to begin with IMO, but they do have some high level guys who will absolutely be fielding calls about the portal and getting business advice from their agents regardless of whether Napier is fired in September or a few weeks later. Does Lagway shut it down - if so they have nothing but walkons, lower rated freshmen, and Harrison Bailey behind him. What about some of their young skill talent, or their young DL?

Point being, this is no longer a world in which a team circles the wagons after a coach is fired. It's now every man for himself, which could, if things break right (i.e., favored teams TCB against Florida) make for a much easier game in Gainesville in November than anyone - even me and others who were skeptical of the UF preseason hype - contemplated.

Open for thoughts, Geaux Tigahs!
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If Bama loses to Wisconsin, the same could go for them if they than lose to UGA. UT could then send them on an 0-4 skid with the gauntlet they have after UT. Both fan bases are clamoring for the same coaches Saban, Meyer, Gruden,Lanning and Kiffen. Would Kiffen want to go back to Bama? The Saban culture is long gone at Bama and I don't think Kiffen can rebuild that culture.
 
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True Sophomore former 5-star who is second highest rated player on their roster:

Florida sophomore edge rusher LJ McCray will undergo surgery Monday on his right foot, multiple sources told Swamp247. A recovery timeline for McCray is unknown. The Daytona native, a former five-star prospect, exited UF's contest Saturday in the second half after making his season debut. McCray missed the latter half of fall camp due to a lower-body injury, believed to be a soft tissue injury to his knee.

Poster: "Opt out season has begun"

 
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McDad said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see some players opt for "shutting down their season" if the wheels fall off the bus. But I only see that for those dealing with nagging injuries. Injuries they could push through if necessary but what's the point if the season is over early. Someone like Lagway, for instance.
Coaching changes will result in increased portal loss. And by all accounts Napier is a good man and a good recruiter. A different personality...an abrasive one...would probably push an additional group of players out. My gut says those players look to go to Miami, or FSU first.
If UF hired a proven winner, I doubt even with a radical change in personality we would see much attrition.
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McDad, normally i agree that some might shutdown the season however if they are on payroll, they really can’t anymore.
 
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McDad, normally i agree that some might shutdown the season however if they are on payroll, they really can’t anymore.
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Not how it works unless it's specified in a contract that they have to be playing, which is a tough thing to get into one of these contracts because an opposing team can just NOT put that in and all of the sudden your offer looks a lot weaker.
 
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I think South Florida is a really good team who will make some unexpected noise, so I wouldn't judge Florida on that loss. We ALWAYS have trouble w Florida no matter where we are in the rankings or expectations. Just hope we can escape w a win when we play. Plus they aren't just gonna fold tent and give up on the season. Too much at stake for everyone there involved not to at least make a bowl game.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Obviously all focus in the program is on UGA this week. Absolutely massive game for the season and the program. Perhaps a narrative-changing game if we can win (which I've been pounding the table that we can all offseason).

That said, one major thing for down the road that I'm watching is UF. At 1-1 and the fires raging in Gainesville already, they're at LSU and then at Miami the next two weeks before a bye. Nearly 10 point dogs this weekend and likely the same or worse the following - if chalk holds they'll be 1-3 heading into a bye week after the all important 4-game mark when it comes to redshirts. Again, assuming they don't pull off a major road upset, Napier is a dead man walking whether they pull the trigger between Miami and Texas and then @A&M (!!!!) or not.

So, I'll be watching if any players on that roster make a business decision at that point to shut it down and not lose a redshirt year during a completely wasted season so that they can keep another year of getting paid for NIL on their resume. If so, which ones and how many? It's not a good roster to begin with IMO, but they do have some high level guys who will absolutely be fielding calls about the portal and getting business advice from their agents regardless of whether Napier is fired in September or a few weeks later. Does Lagway shut it down - if so they have nothing but walkons, lower rated freshmen, and Harrison Bailey behind him. What about some of their young skill talent, or their young DL?

Point being, this is no longer a world in which a team circles the wagons after a coach is fired. It's now every man for himself, which could, if things break right (i.e., favored teams TCB against Florida) make for a much easier game in Gainesville in November than anyone - even me and others who were skeptical of the UF preseason hype - contemplated.

Open for thoughts, Geaux Tigahs!
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This is why I bet LSU against my beloved Gators and gave the points. Much like the oh-by-the-way bowl game scenarios we have seen the last few years, I foresee many players deciding to protect their portal/NIL options by either sitting out altogether or playing in uninspired fashion, to avoid injury.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Obviously all focus in the program is on UGA this week. Absolutely massive game for the season and the program. Perhaps a narrative-changing game if we can win (which I've been pounding the table that we can all offseason).

That said, one major thing for down the road that I'm watching is UF. At 1-1 and the fires raging in Gainesville already, they're at LSU and then at Miami the next two weeks before a bye. Nearly 10 point dogs this weekend and likely the same or worse the following - if chalk holds they'll be 1-3 heading into a bye week after the all important 4-game mark when it comes to redshirts. Again, assuming they don't pull off a major road upset, Napier is a dead man walking whether they pull the trigger between Miami and Texas and then @A&M (!!!!) or not.

So, I'll be watching if any players on that roster make a business decision at that point to shut it down and not lose a redshirt year during a completely wasted season so that they can keep another year of getting paid for NIL on their resume. If so, which ones and how many? It's not a good roster to begin with IMO, but they do have some high level guys who will absolutely be fielding calls about the portal and getting business advice from their agents regardless of whether Napier is fired in September or a few weeks later. Does Lagway shut it down - if so they have nothing but walkons, lower rated freshmen, and Harrison Bailey behind him. What about some of their young skill talent, or their young DL?

Point being, this is no longer a world in which a team circles the wagons after a coach is fired. It's now every man for himself, which could, if things break right (i.e., favored teams TCB against Florida) make for a much easier game in Gainesville in November than anyone - even me and others who were skeptical of the UF preseason hype - contemplated.

Open for thoughts, Geaux Tigahs!
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The Gruden rumors may start flying. He is on the sidelines and able to step in mid-season into any program. That said, NFL coaching track records are spotty in NCAA and he's still got that racial incident in his past that is pretty bad
 
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farmdogvol said:
If Bama loses to Wisconsin, the same could go for them if they than lose to UGA. UT could then send them on an 0-4 skid with the gauntlet they have after UT. Both fan bases are clamoring for the same coaches Saban, Meyer, Gruden,Lanning and Kiffen. Would Kiffen want to go back to Bama? The Saban culture is long gone at Bama and I don't think Kiffen can rebuild that culture.
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If Kiffin goes to Alabama, he will not try to rebuild Saban’s culture. He definitely has his own “culture”.
 
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UF is still loaded w SEC talent. They lost a game they should have won. But, EVERY single goal that they set for themselves before the season began is still on the table. Every single one. I will not be shocked if that team is able to win 1 or two of the next 2 games. Sun Belt Billy was on his way out 100% last yr after TN. But, look what happened.
It's football. Sometimes you lose a game you shouldn't. See TN v Ark 2024. But, you can't discount what happens when a team not quite operating as a unit gets smacked and embarrassed and circles the wagons w an Us v World mentality. It's a powerful force.
 
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