Something for Hart to consider

[thebjd]

Are you serious? Carroll, Saban, and Petrino? Want to try that again?

They sucked in the NFL

 

[SLOBBER_KNOCKER_U]

Are you serious? Carroll, Saban, and Petrino? Want to try that again?

you could use the college to NFL argument just like your NFL to college argument. Carroll, saban, and petrino, all mediocre to failures in the NFL, so why would lovie be different coming to the college level with Zero head coaching experience at that level.

 

[vol2013]

Are you serious? Carroll, Saban, and Petrino? Want to try that again?

More proof that the two are completely different. Just because you are a good college coach does not mean you will be a good nfl coach, and just because you are a good NFL coach does not mean you will be a good college coach. Yes, the three you mentioned have had successful college careers, but how were they in the NFL? Pete Carroll has done nothing noteworthy in the NFL. Nick Saban was 10-6 in his first year, 9-7 in his second year, zero playoff appearances, and made some decisions that look questionable in hindsight like cutting wes welker. Finally Bobby Petrino was 3-10 in his one NFL Season.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

More proof that the two are completely different. Just because you are a good college coach does not mean you will be a good nfl coach, and just because you are a good NFL coach does not mean you will be a good college coach. Yes, the three you mentioned have had successful college careers, but how were they in the NFL? Pete Carroll has done nothing noteworthy in the NFL. Nick Saban was 10-6 in his first year, 9-7 in his second year, zero playoff appearances, and made some decisions that look questionable in hindsight like cutting wes welker. Finally Bobby Petrino was 3-10 in his one NFL Season.

Carroll didn't do much with the Patriots, but made a big splash when he went down to the college level, so how are you trying to use him as an example to claim that Lovie CAN'T do the same? Don't try to use Carroll as your evidence. It blows your argument up

 

[Cheese Donkey]

Dooley has already addressed this. He's not going to settle for a mediocre replacement fast. He's going to take the time to find the right guy. People read way too much into silence for some reason. With this staff, silence is simply... Silence.

 

[jwp1223]

LMAO!!!! You got me laughing so hard on that picture, it's the greatest thing ever!!

 

[rickyyrs]

Given the mass exodus of coaches from Dooley's staff and no replacements have yet been made, I have to seriously wonder if the drama Dooley chided the media about, isn't in fact, reality.

Bringing in quality replacements will mean long term contracts and/or huge payouts. Hypothetically, if the floor falls through next season and Dooley gets the can, here we will be straddled with 3 more high priced buyouts. We cannot hire a new HC and demand that he keep them. What's more is, the current staff will want long term extensions too.

That seems like a high stakes gamble for an AD who never hired Dooley in the first place. I just don't see how Dooley's status is a secure one at this stage. I have to wonder if the Athletic Dept. is simply stalling until after Signing Day.

If Hart is indeed weighing his options at this stage, I again, hope he takes a look at Lovie Smith. Even though he has done a remarkable job at Chicago (the Bears looked like a definite playoff team until Cutler and Forte go injured), they just fired their GM and OC.

It sounds like they have Lovie essentially on a short leash (his contract extends through the 2013 season). With a GM wanting to hire his own guy, I doubt Chicago will try to prevent Lovie from leaving, if the Vols administration came calling.

NFL.com news: Bears inform GM Angelo he will not return next season

Guess the big money donors would have to get behind it, but this is the kind of homerun hire this program needs to make, once and for all. We can see what kind of impact it has made for Bama and now Ark.

I was reading your post until i got to the part about Lovie Smith and i stopped. We do not need Lovie Smith coaching anything at Tennessee.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

you could use the college to NFL argument just like your NFL to college argument. Carroll, saban, and petrino, all mediocre to failures in the NFL, so why would lovie be different coming to the college level with Zero head coaching experience at that level.

The problem with your logic is that you are assuming that an NFL coach going down to the college level can't do an equally good job or better there. Wannsted went to Pitt. I don't care if he has a magic wand, it's damn hard to recruit to that school.
But Carroll went to a school where he could recruit to, and that is why he was so successful there. NFL experience + easy school to recruit to. Lovie would be able to leverage his success and NFL experience to bring in better recruiting classes than we've had in a long, long time.

THAT is where the comparison is made. Petrino and Saban's NFL experience bought them some recruiting mojo that none of their schools had before they arrived. They are both good coaches and I contend that Lovie's success at the NFL level could translate to the college level too.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Oh and hey VolorNuttin, I am a Bears fan....why don't you ask me if you think Tennessee should go after Lovie Smith...the answer is HELL NO RETARD!

Why so personal? Your opinion has no more merit than mine. Fact is that he took over a failing team and got them to a Super Bowl and a few playoff appearances, including last year's NFC Championship! They were 7-3 and among the best teams in the NFC before Cutler went down, then Forte. Nothing retarded about noticing what he brings to the table.

 

[SLOBBER_KNOCKER_U]

The problem with your logic is that you are assuming that an NFL coach going down to the college level can't do an equally good job or better there. Wannsted went to Pitt. I don't care if he has a magic wand, it's damn hard to recruit to that school.
But Carroll went to a school where he could recruit to, and that is why he was so successful there. NFL experience + easy school to recruit to. Lovie would be able to leverage his success and NFL experience to bring in better recruiting classes than we've had in a long, long time.

THAT is where the comparison is made. Petrino and Saban's NFL experience bought them some recruiting mojo that none of their schools had before they arrived. They are both good coaches and I contend that Lovie's success at the NFL level could translate to the college level too.

And what makes you think Lovie can recruit? Also, saban and petrino were already successful college head coaches before NFL, so saying that the NFL experience was what brought them success in college is not entirely true.

 

[vol2013]

Carroll didn't do much with the Patriots, but made a big splash when he went down to the college level, so how are you trying to use him as an example to claim that Lovie CAN'T do the same? Don't try to use Carroll as your evidence. It blows your argument up

No, it is just more proof that you cannot say somebody will be a good or bad college coach just because of how they have done in the NFL. As previously mentioned, Carroll succeeded in college because of his ability to excite a program, which does not do much good in the NFL. Has anything indicated that lovie has these same abilities? The answer is no, so we would be hiring a coach that has just as many questions about his coaching ability as dooley.

 

[jwp1223]

Why so personal? Your opinion has no more merit than mine. Fact is that he took over a failing team and got them to a Super Bowl and a few playoff appearances, including last year's NFC Championship! They were 7-3 and among the best teams in the NFC before Cutler went down, then Forte. Nothing retarded about noticing what he brings to the table.

I know exactly what he brings to the table, nothing! Lovie just lost Mike Martz....who was the real reason they were 7-3 before Cutler went down, and the reason they made it to the NFC Championship last year....it wasn't because of Lovie....

 

[Negateer]

Carroll didn't do much with the Patriots, but made a big splash when he went down to the college level, so how are you trying to use him as an example to claim that Lovie CAN'T do the same? Don't try to use Carroll as your evidence. It blows your argument up

Reading comprehension problems.

 

[vol2013]

Reading comprehension problems.

More like intelligence problems. This is the same guy that posted this gem in regards to Dooley the other day:

"I don't think he's going to make it til signing day."

 

[Negateer]

yup.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

More like intelligence problems. This is the same guy that posted this gem in regards to Dooley the other day:

"I don't think he's going to make it til signing day."

And you think he's in good shape, eh? No problems, huh? He was already on the hotseat, before all of the coaches started bailing. They bailed because this is a sinking ship. And it's hard as hell to convince quality assistants to jump onboard, under such circumstances. It took Jeff Fisher down last year. He had one assistant after another leave, and there was no way he could convince good prospects to join his staff when he only had one year left on his contract and coming off two losing seasons back to back.

Funny how many jokers here think everyone else here is a retard just because they have a different outlook on the coaching situation. Newsflash, everyone has a different opinion. Doesn't make them an idiot one way or the other.

 

[AUSSIEVOLFAN]

Lovie was doing a good job until Cutler and Forte went down??? Hmmmm Sounds familiar to our year when Hunter and Bray went down this season. But unlike the bears they could go out and buy someone . Dooley had to try and figure out what to do with what was left with his squad .... Your another idiot... Go root for someone else ya tosspot!

 

[Negateer]

And you think he's in good shape, eh? No problems, huh?.

Nope, just claiming he 'wouldn't make it to signing day' is an idiotic statement.

 

[GmanTN]

Lovie Smith sucks as a HC, why on earth anyone would think he would make a good coach here. Just because he coaches in the NFL doesn't make him a good coach. I remember when he was the DB coach here and I was not impressed. Lovie is in a major market for the NFL, has deep pockets to buy the players they need and Lovie has never expressed any interest in taking a step backwards and go down a level to coach.

 

[AllVolYall]

OP may have a point....I mean, Lovie is already on a plane headed to Knoxville. He just hasn't landed in over 2 years.

That joke is so stale, I broke my tooth on it.

 

[EnglewoodVol]

haha what the hell is this?...I can't stop watching it.

 

[voldawgforever]

Given the mass exodus of coaches from Dooley's staff and no replacements have yet been made, I have to seriously wonder if the drama Dooley chided the media about, isn't in fact, reality.

Bringing in quality replacements will mean long term contracts and/or huge payouts. Hypothetically, if the floor falls through next season and Dooley gets the can, here we will be straddled with 3 more high priced buyouts. We cannot hire a new HC and demand that he keep them. What's more is, the current staff will want long term extensions too.

That seems like a high stakes gamble for an AD who never hired Dooley in the first place. I just don't see how Dooley's status is a secure one at this stage. I have to wonder if the Athletic Dept. is simply stalling until after Signing Day.

If Hart is indeed weighing his options at this stage, I again, hope he takes a look at Lovie Smith. Even though he has done a remarkable job at Chicago (the Bears looked like a definite playoff team until Cutler and Forte go injured), they just fired their GM and OC.

It sounds like they have Lovie essentially on a short leash (his contract extends through the 2013 season). With a GM wanting to hire his own guy, I doubt Chicago will try to prevent Lovie from leaving, if the Vols administration came calling.

NFL.com news: Bears inform GM Angelo he will not return next season

Guess the big money donors would have to get behind it, but this is the kind of homerun hire this program needs to make, once and for all. We can see what kind of impact it has made for Bama and now Ark.

Drama, inc.

 

[GmanTN]

The OP started this thread, tried to hijack another thread on Randy Shannon and not a single person agrees with him on Lovie. How many people have to tell him no before he gets the clue and shuts up about it.

 

[cbbowlingmd]

Given the mass exodus of coaches from Dooley's staff and no replacements have yet been made, I have to seriously wonder if the drama Dooley chided the media about, isn't in fact, reality.

Bringing in quality replacements will mean long term contracts and/or huge payouts. Hypothetically, if the floor falls through next season and Dooley gets the can, here we will be straddled with 3 more high priced buyouts. We cannot hire a new HC and demand that he keep them. What's more is, the current staff will want long term extensions too.

That seems like a high stakes gamble for an AD who never hired Dooley in the first place. I just don't see how Dooley's status is a secure one at this stage. I have to wonder if the Athletic Dept. is simply stalling until after Signing Day.

If Hart is indeed weighing his options at this stage, I again, hope he takes a look at Lovie Smith. Even though he has done a remarkable job at Chicago (the Bears looked like a definite playoff team until Cutler and Forte go injured), they just fired their GM and OC.

It sounds like they have Lovie essentially on a short leash (his contract extends through the 2013 season). With a GM wanting to hire his own guy, I doubt Chicago will try to prevent Lovie from leaving, if the Vols administration came calling.

NFL.com news: Bears inform GM Angelo he will not return next season

Guess the big money donors would have to get behind it, but this is the kind of homerun hire this program needs to make, once and for all. We can see what kind of impact it has made for Bama and now Ark.

I'm sure Dave Hart is reading your post and scratching his chin intently.

 

[GBOVOLS]

Dooley has already addressed this. He's not going to settle for a mediocre replacement fast. He's going to take the time to find the right guy. People read way too much into silence for some reason. With this staff, silence is simply... Silence.

The problem is does the right guy want to stick his neck out for CDD. CDD this is what happens when coaches dont do their job other coaches wont work for them. I also doubt that Shannon would accept workking under Dooley the more I think bout it.