someone explain to me...

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joevol320 said:
if we are trying to run a quick tempo offense but we sub constantly. the refs have to give the defense time to sub so it's useless trying to run a quick tempo offense.

i would think we could run 3 or 4 quick plays before needing to sub.
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yep , in the tex vs. nd game the ref didn't stand in front of the ball signaling the stop sign ,which allowed tex to run their up tempo very quickly. Must be an SEC thing. :ermm:
 
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ReaderVol said:
Do we run a HUNH? Very little. We run a NH but not so much a HUNH with a read. Now we didndt read much at all against App St but the idea of this thread on subs is just yet another example of not knowing what the hell you're talking about.
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I confess I'm no expert but I tend to agree we don't really run the HUNH offense as it seems to be usually envisioned. When most people think of the HUNH what they are really thinking about is what some call the HUNHNS (no substitution). Semantics. We do sometimes try to go at a fast tempo but when we substitute on those plays the defense is allowed an opportunity to substitute to match up with our substitution. App St did this effectively (sort of taking their time). The play clock is still running. If we substituted too late and the defense doesn't get enough time to match up and the clock runs out it's a delay of game penalty on the offense. I took what Butch said in his post game presser to be that App St was so good at this that it put our offense in sort of panic mode. I think when we didn't substitute and tried to go up tempo, unsurprisingly, cramps set in for one of the App St defenders. Butch acknowledged in his remarks that App St, not UT, did the better job of controlling the clock in our game. Again, I'm no expert but that's what I've go so far. :)
 
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KBVol said:
We very, very rarely run an up tempo offense. We run a no huddle, and oftentimes snap the ball with 10-12 seconds left on the play clock. Last night Texas was at times snapping the ball with 28-31 seconds left on the clock....that's up tempo.
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Against Appalachian State we ran 66 plays, so yeah, we really weren't thinking up tempo for Game 1. Against Northwestern in the bowl game we ran 83 plays. Against Vanderbilt only 77. I feel like they played it very close to the vest in preparation for Bud Foster. Maybe that wasn't the right move in retrospect.
 
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kckempf said:
Against Appalachian State we ran 66 plays, so yeah, we really weren't thinking up tempo for Game 1. Against Northwestern in the bowl game we ran 83 plays. Against Vanderbilt only 77. I feel like they played it very close to the vest in preparation for Bud Foster. Maybe that wasn't the right move in retrospect.
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I got the 83 against NW but I had 72 against App St and an average of 76 across all 13 games last year with a median also at 76. I think the 66 number you cite is the number of offensive plays App State ran against us - at least that's what the stats at UTsports show.

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Biopsyman said:
I love having the ball for 30 seconds then punt
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I'll bet the defense loves it even more than you and I do. Rushing to do the same unproductive play again and again is just mind boggling. But who knows, the opposing defense might get confused and line up improperly against the same plays they've seen all night long and not have time to adjust. It just looks like something copied without understanding why or how the original works.
 
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I don't care what anybody says. I love the slow developing handoff to Hurd and he gets hit in the backfield. It seems like they ran that play 50 times and most of the time they ran it back to back. Just cant get enough of that play.
 
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Whatever it was, by the 4th quarter, all the Appy State defense had a screaming case of cramps.


My prediction for the Virginia Tech defense..............................Pain
 
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orangeluvr said:
yep , in the tex vs. nd game the ref didn't stand in front of the ball signaling the stop sign ,which allowed tex to run their up tempo very quickly. Must be an SEC thing. :ermm:
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I noticed that, too. Maddening.
 
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orangeluvr said:
yep , in the tex vs. nd game the ref didn't stand in front of the ball signaling the stop sign ,which allowed tex to run their up tempo very quickly. Must be an SEC thing. :ermm:
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If you don't understand the rules then ask. Saying things like that makes you look stupid. The rules state that when the offense subs then they must give the defense a reasonable amount of time to sub too. When we subbed someone out then the ref stopped us from snapping the ball until the defense had time to sub too. If we didn't change players then the official wouldn't be standing back there
 
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Or maybe they want to mix up tempo...so they don't mind subbing to take time off the clock.

They usually do it in 3rd down...makes sense to me.
 
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08Vol said:
If you don't understand the rules then ask. Saying things like that makes you look stupid. The rules state that when the offense subs then they must give the defense a reasonable amount of time to sub too. When we subbed someone out then the ref stopped us from snapping the ball until the defense had time to sub too. If we didn't change players then the official wouldn't be standing back there
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Seeing how we weren't running an up tempo offense what did it matter?
 
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joevol320 said:
if we are trying to run a quick tempo offense but we sub constantly. the refs have to give the defense time to sub so it's useless trying to run a quick tempo offense.

i would think we could run 3 or 4 quick plays before needing to sub.
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That's not really who we are. That was just some coach speak that Jones used to sound like he knew about football.
 
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ReaderVol said:
The lack of knowledge by some of our fans is truly amazing.
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ReaderVol said:
You wouldn't understand it. But I'll throw you a bone. The premise of this thread is just wrong and shows a lack og knowledge.
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ReaderVol said:
Not quite 15. But he did script quite a few.
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ReaderVol said:
Do we run a HUNH? Very little. We run a NH but not so much a HUNH with a read. Now we didndt read much at all against App St but the idea of this thread on subs is just yet another example of not knowing what the hell you're talking about.
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Actually the point of this thread is entirely correct, even if it wasn't explicitly stated. The OP is rhetorically questioning the sense of running an up tempo offense if the offense substitutes players nearly every play, thereby allowing the defense no less than 10 seconds to sub their players to counter ours. It's a great point and one of many examples of butch jones' philosophical flaws on offense. Up tempo is intended to give the offense advantage by not allowing the defense to adjust to new alignments, thereby creating mismatches and advantages for skill players in space.

It would be like in chess, making a move that is intended to set up another move. Perhaps you run a play with a smaller lineup on 2nd and 1 against a defense that has subbed in a package designed to stop the run, only then to go no huddle and no sub to take advantage on this heavier defensive package for several plays with a intermediate distance passing game.

Whether you're smart enough to understand this or not has no impact on how you respond to other posters discussing this topic on VN, seeing as how almost all of your post history proves your only real intention is to promote butch jones' decision-making no matter what the topic is and no matter whether expressed frustrations with jones' and staff are warranted or not.

This might be why you speak of jones' as though you are privy to his decisions (I've seen this a lot from you). Your a Jones sycophant. And there's plenty more of your UTAD ilk on this site that will back jones bar-none while simultaneously bashing anyone who holds a less than positive opinion.

Since you appear to be one of several UTAD stooges on here, maybe you pass along to your boy Jonesy that many of us rational UT fans who cheer for the school before the HC don't appreciate that he coaches as though there's limited number of points that his offense can score each season and he has to ration them against opponents he views inferior or opponents he builds a two touchdown lead on. Apprec. :eek:k:
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
It's looking like next year the 10sec rule will be in place.

O will no longer be able to snap the ball in the first 10 sec of the play clock allowing the D to sub every play.
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I think this will be the "Nick Saban whines until gets what he wants rule" (at least till 2014 or so, doesn't whine about it AS much anymore)
 
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junder13 said:
Actually the point of this thread is entirely correct, even if it wasn't explicitly stated. The OP is rhetorically questioning the sense of running an up tempo offense if the offense substitutes players nearly every play, thereby allowing the defense no less than 10 seconds to sub their players to counter ours. It's a great point and one of many examples of butch jones' philosophical flaws on offense. Up tempo is intended to give the offense advantage by not allowing the defense to adjust to new alignments, thereby creating mismatches and advantages for skill players in space.

It would be like in chess, making a move that is intended to set up another move. Perhaps you run a play with a smaller lineup on 2nd and 1 against a defense that has subbed in a package designed to stop the run, only then to go no huddle and no sub to take advantage on this heavier defensive package for several plays with a intermediate distance passing game.

Whether you're smart enough to understand this or not has no impact on how you respond to other posters discussing this topic on VN, seeing as how almost all of your post history proves your only real intention is to promote butch jones' decision-making no matter what the topic is and no matter whether expressed frustrations with jones' and staff are warranted or not.

This might be why you speak of jones' as though you are privy to his decisions (I've seen this a lot from you). Your a Jones sycophant. And there's plenty more of your UTAD ilk on this site that will back jones bar-none while simultaneously bashing anyone who holds a less than positive opinion.

Since you appear to be one of several UTAD stooges on here, maybe you pass along to your boy Jonesy that many of us rational UT fans who cheer for the school before the HC don't appreciate that he coaches as though there's limited number of points that his offense can score each season and he has to ration them against opponents he views inferior or opponents he builds a two touchdown lead on. Apprec. :eek:k:
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Good points, and I don't think Butch and Debord are chess players. Maybe pretty good at building a team, but severely handicapped in game strategy, and I really keep hoping they will prove me wrong on strategy. Probably the only cure for that is to turn the offensive game over to a competent OC; otherwise it may just be Groundhog Day all over again - Fulmer without Cutcliffe.
 
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