Some thoughts on what has transpired....

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g8terh8ter_eric

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1. We have no true facts on any message board out there on the internet, other than Cam had the laptop in question when the police arrived. This is probably a pretty damning situation, but he still deserves to be proven guilty, versus having the fan base convict him before the judicial system does.

2. There have been several key team members over the years that have done this exact same thing, just wasn't publicized like this has been, and I think that the deterioration between UT and the law enforcement of Knox county needs to be fixed. I don't know how long that might take, or what needs to be done, but there are ways to handle things like this, and I don't think it's been handled very well.

3. Whatever happens to Cam, isn't probably going to be Dooley's decision in the end. If Cam violates team rules, UT rules, and the law in general, then Cam will have made this decision for himself. Dooley's hand won't be in it, especially if enough evidence is there to completely overwhelm any case Cam could present.

4. I'm not going to write Cam off, like some on here are already doing. People make mistakes, and deserve second chances, whether it is at UT or not.

5. If I'm a UT teammate of Cam's, I don't alienate him at all, no matter what. Now with that being said, I also put this down in my book of bad things to do when bored.

6. In regards to recruiting, it would probably be a good idea to let this die rather quickly. We don't need constant fodder and chatter about problems, especially with summer camps coming up. Just not something the parents of recruits really want to hear about on their trip.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
6. In regards to recruiting, it would probably be a good idea to let this die rather quickly. We don't need constant fodder and chatter about problems, especially with summer camps coming up. Just not something the parents of recruits really want to hear about on their trip.
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So in order to help bring this about, you created a thread in which you discuss the incident?
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Regardless of what happened/happens, we have other options at TE
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Truly, that's keeping things in perspective concerning our true interests as Vols fans.

We need these guys to start winning so we can start caring more about them as people. :zeitung_lesen:
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Regardless of what happened/happens, we have other options at TE
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We have other options in terms of warm bodied scholarship caliber players... But by all accounts, Clear is/was going to be a pretty special player for us. In the short term we are fine because Rivera is a good player, but behind that, no one else on the roster is "special" at that position.
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's less than 2 days after the initial arrest. It's not like I'm bring this up 3 weeks later. Nice try though.
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It's a good post, Eric.

Minor point, but I'm pretty sure most parents have taught their kids to watch their laptops around anyone named Cam, anyways.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
3. Whatever happens to Cam, isn't probably going to be Dooley's decision in the end. If Cam violates team rules, UT rules, and the law in general, then Cam will have made this decision for himself. Dooley's hand won't be in it, especially if enough evidence is there to completely overwhelm any case Cam could present.
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I've been saying this as well. I think it's possible he's expelled by the university and it's a done deal.
 
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Regardless of the facts, it's our job as posters on VN to speculate, be rumor mongers, disparage characters of innocent people, post fail pics and gifs, blame Dooley for all of it, work in a good jab at Hyams, and feign outrage about all the attention it's creating while posting endless comments about it so as to keep the story alive. I'm proud of every last one of us.
 
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fade route said:
Regardless of the facts, it's our job as posters on VN to speculate, be rumor mongers, disparage characters of innocent people, post fail pics and gifs, blame Dooley for all of it, work in a good jab at Hyams, and feign outrage about all the attention it's creating while posting endless comments about it so as to keep the story alive. I'm proud of every last one of us.
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Finally, somebody who gets it. :hi:
 
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fade route said:
Regardless of the facts, it's our job as posters on VN to speculate, be rumor mongers, disparage characters of innocent people, post fail pics and gifs, blame Dooley for all of it, work in a good jab at Hyams, and feign outrage about all the attention it's creating while posting endless comments about it so as to keep the story alive. I'm proud of every last one of us.
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Your best work, Fade! Post of the week, IMO
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
2. There have been several key team members over the years that have done this exact same thing, just wasn't publicized like this has been, and I think that the deterioration between UT and the law enforcement of Knox county needs to be fixed. I don't know how long that might take, or what needs to be done, but there are ways to handle things like this, and I don't think it's been handled very well.
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I love how you blame the cops for not trying to cover this up.
 
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If I were a coach I wouldn't let a guy who stole from his teammates anywhere near my locker room. I'd have zero tolerence for fscking your teammates over like that. I'd kick him off the team so hard he'd bounce.

That said, (almost) nobody on this message board has enough information to weigh in on this. We don't know what happened; we probably never will know what happened. I'm not going to argue outright for Clear's dismissal unless and until more information comes out.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If I were a coach I wouldn't let a guy who stole from his teammates anywhere near my locker room. I'd have zero tolerates for fscking your teammates over like that. I'd kick him off the team so hard he'd bounce.

That said, (almost) nobody on this message board has enough information to weigh in on this. We don't know what happened; we probably never will know what happened. I'm not going to argue outright for Clear's dismissal unless and until more information comes out.
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Vercingetorix said:
If I were a coach I wouldn't let a guy who stole from his teammates anywhere near my locker room. I'd have zero tolerates for fscking your teammates over like that. I'd kick him off the team so hard he'd bounce.

That said, (almost) nobody on this message board has enough information to weigh in on this. We don't know what happened; we probably never will know what happened. I'm not going to argue outright for Clear's dismissal unless and until more information comes out.
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Cam plays baseball?
 
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You know possession of stolen property is one crime where if you are caught then you are guilty. There is no defense. What is Cam going to say "I bought it from a guy on the street?"
 
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2. There have been several key team members over the years that have done this exact same thing, just wasn't publicized like this has been, and I think that the deterioration between UT and the law enforcement of Knox county needs to be fixed. I don't know how long that might take, or what needs to be done, but there are ways to handle things like this, and I don't think it's been handled very well.

Here's a way to solve it...DON'T STEAL ****! How is it in any way law enforcements fault or responsibility to "handle" it to the benefit of a football player?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If I were a coach I wouldn't let a guy who stole from his teammates anywhere near my locker room. I'd have zero tolerence for fscking your teammates over like that. I'd kick him off the team so hard he'd bounce.
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What about a player stealing stuff from non-team members?
 
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fade route said:
Regardless of the facts, it's our job as posters on VN to speculate, be rumor mongers, disparage characters of innocent people, post fail pics and gifs, blame Dooley for all of it, work in a good jab at Hyams, and feign outrage about all the attention it's creating while posting endless comments about it so as to keep the story alive. I'm proud of every last one of us.
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The most accurate post that I have read since joining.
 
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