Some players feel coaching is not the problem

#51
#51
FlyFishnVol said:
So, there is no possible way that some of our players could actually be the issue, you just want to blame coaching because that is the easiest direction to point your finger, if you blamed the players...they could kick your................
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Players are certainly part of the problem, but in my view there are bigger issues with the schemes (i.e. the Xs and Os). Examples, taking your MLB and asking him to man cover slot receivers. What OC couldn't take advantage of that mismatch? It isn't a player problem when you take arguably one of the best linebackers in the league and put him in those kinds of situations.

I don't often listen to Eric Ainge's show, but he broke down TBs last interception against Bama. He described how that play action pass should have gone: TB fakes the hand off, stands up straight and tall, chucks the ball to the receiver on about the 7 when he was wide open. He should have walked into the endzone. Instead, Bray, faked the hand off, took a 3 step drop and then threw the ball. That 3 step drop took enough time for the receiver to get halfway through the endzone and the Bama guy to move where he could make the INT.

So the question is, what was Bray coached to do? If he was coached to take that drop then that is a huge error on the coaches. If he was taught to do it right but continues to do it wrong, then that is on both Bray for not being coachable and the coaches for not fixing the problem in practice or by sitting him in the game.
 
#52
#52
SigEpVolFan said:
Jawuan James tweet:

"@JawuanJames70 It's not about the X's & O's its about the Jimmys and Joes at the end of the day."

Sounds nice but I don't buy it. At the end of the day, the coaches have to take responsibility. We have the Jimmys & Joes. It's been the X's & O's that's been getting us beat.
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Some players? You've got one tweet there. What do the rest think is the question and answer.
 
#53
#53
PKT_VOL said:
It's sad when opposing fans have to come in and bring a dose of reality and rational to our fanbase.

Thanks Gator. This fanbase has lost their minds this season.
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This fanbase has not lost their minds, this fanbase is tierd of lossing. And we don't need Gators reality or rational dose of crap, his team is winning.
 
#54
#54
Col_Cathcart said:
Most of those guys are still freshmen and sophomores. The starters like Pwag, Teague, and Gordon have been the same this whole time. I don't remember how long Brewer has been here. We just expected them to either improve more or get passed up and neither has happened.

I have seen improvement from coleman comparing this year to last year so that gives me some hope for the future.
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Dont forget Moore. He had alot of hype coming in.
 
#55
#55
so I guess most of the big O# loves the coach's they got . They should,but most of the D# ain't buyin it.
 
#56
#56
SigEpVolFan said:
Jawuan James tweet:

"@JawuanJames70 It's not about the X's & O's its about the Jimmys and Joes at the end of the day."

Sounds nice but I don't buy it. At the end of the day, the coaches have to take responsibility. We have the Jimmys & Joes. It's been the X's & O's that's been getting us beat.
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Jawuan is simply quoting Cousin Sal's new favorite expression from the BS Report. Nothing to see here.
 
#57
#57
if you've ever tried the run the ball, only to find you lost 2 yards---you might be a bad coach....

if you've ever tried to play cover two, to only find out that both corners and safties got beat----you might be a bad coach.....

if you've ever tried to get off to a fast start yet to only find yourself down 14-3---you might be a bad coach....

if you've ever thought you had the 3rd most talent in the SEC on ur roster---yet you find yourself losing to kentucky....you MIGHT BE A BAD COACH(S)....
 
#59
#59
winsec said:
on the last play against lsu dooley and his staff sent more players on to the field that what is allowed. that is a penalty. that is a fact. before the season everyone agreed this was dooleys year to win or get gone. now you sunshine pumpers want to change the rules. typical loser mentailty. HE HAS NEVER WON ANYWHERE AS A HEAD COACH. TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN HIM THAT MAKES ANYONE THINK HE IS JUST GOING TO WAKE UP ONE DAY AND BE A WINNER? nothing. please watch the games before you post.
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Yes and it was the most unfortunate mistake by an assistant coach I have ever seen.

Before the season, most realistic people were predicting 7-8 wins at best this year. Any less than that and we would have serious issues. The last I checked we are still on track for that. The performance in the first game fooled the average fan into thinking we would see those same results against SEC defenses. Not the case obviously...

I do not ignore the enormous task at hand to meet the unrealistic expectations of this fanbase. That is why I am willing to give him another year given we win our last 4 games. If we dont, then let's go get a big fish...
 
#60
#60
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
And what has Dooley done since? The team has gotten worse over the course of his tenure even though the talent and depth have improved. Time to move on.
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How exactly have we gotten worse? We have lost to the teams that are better than us. We have beaten the teams that are not better than us. Which loss this season has been a surprise to anyone?
 
#61
#61
fortunately the players do know allot more than the brain trust on VN....it's easier to see looking from the inside out.....than angry fans looking from the outside in
Usually the truth is somewhere in the middle
and the truth Is..........
 
#62
#62
photovol said:
fortunately the players do know allot more than the brain trust on VN....it's easier to see looking from the inside out.....than angry fans looking from the outside in
Usually the truth is somewhere in the middle
and the truth Is..........
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WE ______ SUCK and you all know it. Coaching is terrible, but good to see them stand up for them.
 
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#63
#63
the truth is that we have more accountable players on the team than we have had in several years, fwiw. As soon as we have a squad full of players accountable to themselves and their teammates, we will win again. Until that happens, we won't win.
 
#64
#64
FRO said:
if you've ever tried the run the ball, only to find you lost 2 yards---you might be a bad coach....

if you've ever tried to play cover two, to only find out that both corners and safties got beat----you might be a bad coach.....

if you've ever tried to get off to a fast start yet to only find yourself down 14-3---you might be a bad coach....

if you've ever thought you had the 3rd most talent in the SEC on ur roster---yet you find yourself losing to kentucky....you MIGHT BE A BAD COACH(S)....
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What a bunch of garbage. When did ANYONE ever say we had the 3rd most talent in the SEC last year????
 
#65
#65
MEMPHISPHIL said:
This fanbase has not lost their minds, this fanbase is tierd of lossing. And we don't need Gators reality or rational dose of crap, his team is winning.
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Let's see how this Gator fan is doing if they lose to UGA and FSU (totally possible). Perhaps similar to SC fans who want Spurrier fired after losing last 2 games (even though this is the most successfull 2 years they have ever had - and likely will never repeat given their history and "tradition").
 
#66
#66
Its not garbage it realistic.....we have bad coaching minus sunseri.......

Wake up and smell the coffee cuz

3rd most talent? If not we are pretty damn close on offense.....defense not so much
 
#67
#67
FRO said:
Its not garbage it realistic.....we have bad coaching minus sunseri.......

Wake up and smell the coffee cuz

3rd most talent? If not we are pretty damn close on offense.....defense not so much
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AJ and McCullers would be pushing to be starter on Ga, SC, LSU, Bama and would start at Ms State. The rest of the starting D wouldn't be in the 2 deep at the schools mentioned.
 
#68
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SigEpVolFan said:
Jawuan James tweet:

"@JawuanJames70 It's not about the X's & O's its about the Jimmys and Joes at the end of the day."

Sounds nice but I don't buy it. At the end of the day, the coaches have to take responsibility. We have the Jimmys & Joes. It's been the X's & O's that's been getting us beat.
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Nope. But the coaches are also responsible for which Jimmys and Joes execute the X's & O's.

I suspect that if DD gets fired as seems likely... he will forever question what might have happened if he'd pulled Bray after his collapse vs UF and 3 consecutive chokes with the game on the line vs UGA.

Bray is a great physical talent. He's never proven he can handle the game pressure of being a QB at that level. He more than any other player has cost them games.

A coach has to see it and either correct it or replace the player. That is Dooley's biggest failure of this season. Even if Bray turns it around this week... it was still a mistake for him to be given that many opportunities without trying Worley.
 
#69
#69
AlumniChase said:
And he's right....I keep reading stuff on here about how our players are good so it must be the coaches' fault, are you kidding? We have 1 great player, and 5 or 6 good players and all but one of them is on offense. Not a single player on our defense would start for Alabama or LSU or Florida or Georgia or South Carolina except maybe AJ. We do not have elite talent, therefore we will not compete with elite teams. Its that simple...throw in the fact that some of our good players are putting themselves in front of the team and playing terrible, and you get the results we are getting. Not saying the coaching is all pro, its just not the only reason we suck hard.
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So our coaches cant get elite recruits that can stay on the team and cant get many period. I will by that out of 3 recruiting classes
 
#70
#70
It's not the coaches fault that our secondary is the worst group of DBs at any D1 school. They are way too slow for the SEC. Go ahead and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about but watch the game film and please try to tell me our secondary is SEC level
 
#72
#72
SigEpVolFan said:
Jawuan James tweet:

"@JawuanJames70 It's not about the X's & O's its about the Jimmys and Joes at the end of the day."

Sounds nice but I don't buy it. At the end of the day, the coaches have to take responsibility. We have the Jimmys & Joes. It's been the X's & O's that's been getting us beat.
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How many of these Jimmy's and Joes were recruited by Dooley? Short sighted fans you are:bash::acute::banghead2::banghead2:
 
#73
#73
govols/cc said:
Play calling is never a problem unless the play isn't executed. If somebody runs play action on 4th & inches & scores they're genius if it fails they're a tool for not running.
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Football is a game of individual battles on each down. It's the coaches job to line up the pikemen for the incoming cavalry. The coach utilizes the players and formulates strategy. They're the generals and that is why right or wrong at the end of the day ALL fingers point to them.
 
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