Some Other Horrible Administrative Failures

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I know a lot of Tennessee fans will be disappointed when Dooley is kept for the third year. What you should keep in mind is that Tennessee will be just the latest in a long line of schools totally ignoring the obvious evidence on the field and the desires of their fan base to keep an obviously incompetent coach. Some examples:

1. In 1966, Penn State hired one of the former assistant coaches to rebuild a program that went 6-4 and 5-5 the prior two years The coach managed to go 5-5 but the clueless administration kept the coach and had to suffer through 46 seasons and 409 wins under the hapless Joe Paterno.

2. In 1976, Florida State hired Bobby Bowden, who had just had a 4-7 season two years prior to his hiring. He demonstrated his incompetence by promply going 5-6 in his first season. Poor Florida State has had to endure 30 straight winning seasons since.

3. In 2001, USC actually hired a guy with a losing record in the NFL. There was a reason he was a loser and he proved it by going 6-6 his first year. By the admin drank the Carroll-Aide and the 77-13 record and two national championships in the next eight years must have been hard to stomach before they finally rid themselves of him.

4. Michigan State was probably the most unbelieveable. They hired a coach and he was 1 game over .500 in his first four years there before going 9-2 in his 5th year. He parlayed that into a job at LSU. Some people never learn as LSU didn't fire Saban after he went 8-4 his first year and Alabama must have been on crack to keep him after his first 7-6 season there. I hope their penance is to polish those National Championship trophies.

5. The delusion of many administrations is not limited to football. In basketball, Duke hired a guy from Army with a 73-59 all time record. Then the bozo has losing seasons two of his first three seasons and missed the NCAA tournaments. Must have been some stupid people running that program as they kept him and all he's done is 11 final fours and four national titles with 902 wins. Should have been fired 30 years ago.

6. Even the NFL, which has professionals running their teams, buy into the nonsense. The Patriots in 2000 hired some buffoon that had A 36-44 record at Cleveland. For their foolishness, they have had to suffer through three Super Bowl seasons under Bill Belichick.

So take comfort fans, our administration is not alone. Youth and experience should never be an excuse and the coaches listed above have been quite forunate their administrations have been asleep at the wheel. If we had our way on this board, we'd have canned them all.
 
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While i agree that Dooley should be given his chance to succeed or fail. There are just as many guys that have flamed out that were given their due time. It was and still is a gamble.

People get caught up in names. Someone even suggested hiring Houston Nutt as OC. There isn't a sure thing out there. It doesn't exist.
 
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Thank You Utah. Common sense is in short supply these days. IMO, the one's calling for Dooley's job today will be the same one's lapping his feet in about 5 years.
 
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Florida St. and Duke being my other 2 collage teams I can tell you that it has been way harder to set through those than watching Tennessee play so much harder. Especially when I watched Duke win that national title 2 years go that was extremely painful to go through that.
 
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Either way, UT won't fire him this year or the next. The buyout is too much IIRC. Next year will be when he will be judged. And hopefully the injuries will be limited going forward as well.
 
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I know a lot of Tennessee fans will be disappointed when Dooley is kept for the third year. What you should keep in mind is that Tennessee will be just the latest in a long line of schools totally ignoring the obvious evidence on the field and the desires of their fan base to keep an obviously incompetent coach. Some examples:

1. In 1966, Penn State hired one of the former assistant coaches to rebuild a program that went 6-4 and 5-5 the prior two years The coach managed to go 5-5 but the clueless administration kept the coach and had to suffer through 46 seasons and 409 wins under the hapless Joe Paterno.

2. In 1976, Florida State hired Bobby Bowden, who had just had a 4-7 season two years prior to his hiring. He demonstrated his incompetence by promply going 5-6 in his first season. Poor Florida State has had to endure 30 straight winning seasons since.

3. In 2001, USC actually hired a guy with a losing record in the NFL. There was a reason he was a loser and he proved it by going 6-6 his first year. By the admin drank the Carroll-Aide and the 77-13 record and two national championships in the next eight years must have been hard to stomach before they finally rid themselves of him.

4. Michigan State was probably the most unbelieveable. They hired a coach and he was 1 game over .500 in his first four years there before going 9-2 in his 5th year. He parlayed that into a job at LSU. Some people never learn as LSU didn't fire Saban after he went 8-4 his first year and Alabama must have been on crack to keep him after his first 7-6 season there. I hope their penance is to polish those National Championship trophies.

5. The delusion of many administrations is not limited to football. In basketball, Duke hired a guy from Army with a 73-59 all time record. Then the bozo has losing seasons two of his first three seasons and missed the NCAA tournaments. Must have been some stupid people running that program as they kept him and all he's done is 11 final fours and four national titles with 902 wins. Should have been fired 30 years ago.

6. Even the NFL, which has professionals running their teams, buy into the nonsense. The Patriots in 2000 hired some buffoon that had A 36-44 record at Cleveland. For their foolishness, they have had to suffer through three Super Bowl seasons under Bill Belichick.

So take comfort fans, our administration is not alone. Youth and experience should never be an excuse and the coaches listed above have been quite forunate their administrations have been asleep at the wheel. If we had our way on this board, we'd have canned them all.

Bravo! Best post I've seen in a while.

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Posts like these are nice, but you folks understand that, for every one of those hires mentioned above, there are far more DiNardo to LSU and Goff to UGA hires.

I am not trying to knock on Dooley, but these sorts of posts are not really relative.
 
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I know a lot of Tennessee fans will be disappointed when Dooley is kept for the third year. What you should keep in mind is that Tennessee will be just the latest in a long line of schools totally ignoring the obvious evidence on the field and the desires of their fan base to keep an obviously incompetent coach. Some examples:

1. In 1966, Penn State hired one of the former assistant coaches to rebuild a program that went 6-4 and 5-5 the prior two years The coach managed to go 5-5 but the clueless administration kept the coach and had to suffer through 46 seasons and 409 wins under the hapless Joe Paterno.

2. In 1976, Florida State hired Bobby Bowden, who had just had a 4-7 season two years prior to his hiring. He demonstrated his incompetence by promply going 5-6 in his first season. Poor Florida State has had to endure 30 straight winning seasons since.

3. In 2001, USC actually hired a guy with a losing record in the NFL. There was a reason he was a loser and he proved it by going 6-6 his first year. By the admin drank the Carroll-Aide and the 77-13 record and two national championships in the next eight years must have been hard to stomach before they finally rid themselves of him.

4. Michigan State was probably the most unbelieveable. They hired a coach and he was 1 game over .500 in his first four years there before going 9-2 in his 5th year. He parlayed that into a job at LSU. Some people never learn as LSU didn't fire Saban after he went 8-4 his first year and Alabama must have been on crack to keep him after his first 7-6 season there. I hope their penance is to polish those National Championship trophies.

5. The delusion of many administrations is not limited to football. In basketball, Duke hired a guy from Army with a 73-59 all time record. Then the bozo has losing seasons two of his first three seasons and missed the NCAA tournaments. Must have been some stupid people running that program as they kept him and all he's done is 11 final fours and four national titles with 902 wins. Should have been fired 30 years ago.

6. Even the NFL, which has professionals running their teams, buy into the nonsense. The Patriots in 2000 hired some buffoon that had A 36-44 record at Cleveland. For their foolishness, they have had to suffer through three Super Bowl seasons under Bill Belichick.

So take comfort fans, our administration is not alone. Youth and experience should never be an excuse and the coaches listed above have been quite forunate their administrations have been asleep at the wheel. If we had our way on this board, we'd have canned them all.

Other championship coaches with less than stellar resumes: Gene Stallings, Les Miles, Gene Chizik.

This about it...why would a top line coach come here with expectations this high and talent so poor? Their reputation would only suffer. And the money is still gonna be tight until we finish paying Fulmer.

I wish we could be in a nice bowl game, could be ranked, and certainly spank these next two opponents. But the situation is pretty bad right now. It didn't happen overnight, and we CANNOT fix it overnight.
 
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Anecdotal support is useless. He can either get it done or he cant. Previous success or failure by others, and there is plenty of both, is immaterial to the quality of Dooley and staff.
 
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Great story - OP. Gives a person goosebumps thinking about all of the championships to come.

Since you are telling stories please tell us about the hundreds of other schools/coaches that did not have the same happy valley endings when they stood by their coach after losing streaks.
 
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Great story - OP. Gives a person goosebumps thinking about all of the championships to come.

Since you are telling stories please tell us about the hundreds of other schools/coaches that did not have the same happy valley endings when they stood by their coach after losing streaks.

The road is indeed littered with quite a lot of failures. Dooley may be one. But the point is that no coach has come in following a couple of losing seasons and immediately won. If we are 6-6 in 2012, I'll be the first to post its time for a change, but I won't after two seasons. The historical experience of early struggles followed by sucess is too long.
 
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Anyone know what Paterno, Bowden, and Carrolls second year records were after taking over these beat down programs? I would like to compare.
 
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Looked it up. Don't understand why OP would want to compare Dickey's second year record to Paterno, Bowden and Carroll's.
 
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I know a lot of Tennessee fans will be disappointed when Dooley is kept for the third year. What you should keep in mind is that Tennessee will be just the latest in a long line of schools totally ignoring the obvious evidence on the field and the desires of their fan base to keep an obviously incompetent coach. Some examples:

1. In 1966, Penn State hired one of the former assistant coaches to rebuild a program that went 6-4 and 5-5 the prior two years The coach managed to go 5-5 but the clueless administration kept the coach and had to suffer through 46 seasons and 409 wins under the hapless Joe Paterno.

2. In 1976, Florida State hired Bobby Bowden, who had just had a 4-7 season two years prior to his hiring. He demonstrated his incompetence by promply going 5-6 in his first season. Poor Florida State has had to endure 30 straight winning seasons since.

3. In 2001, USC actually hired a guy with a losing record in the NFL. There was a reason he was a loser and he proved it by going 6-6 his first year. By the admin drank the Carroll-Aide and the 77-13 record and two national championships in the next eight years must have been hard to stomach before they finally rid themselves of him.

4. Michigan State was probably the most unbelieveable. They hired a coach and he was 1 game over .500 in his first four years there before going 9-2 in his 5th year. He parlayed that into a job at LSU. Some people never learn as LSU didn't fire Saban after he went 8-4 his first year and Alabama must have been on crack to keep him after his first 7-6 season there. I hope their penance is to polish those National Championship trophies.

5. The delusion of many administrations is not limited to football. In basketball, Duke hired a guy from Army with a 73-59 all time record. Then the bozo has losing seasons two of his first three seasons and missed the NCAA tournaments. Must have been some stupid people running that program as they kept him and all he's done is 11 final fours and four national titles with 902 wins. Should have been fired 30 years ago.

6. Even the NFL, which has professionals running their teams, buy into the nonsense. The Patriots in 2000 hired some buffoon that had A 36-44 record at Cleveland. For their foolishness, they have had to suffer through three Super Bowl seasons under Bill Belichick.

So take comfort fans, our administration is not alone. Youth and experience should never be an excuse and the coaches listed above have been quite forunate their administrations have been asleep at the wheel. If we had our way on this board, we'd have canned them all.
The village idiots are out in full force.
 
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Smokeyvol and his clan of idiotic negavols are gonna **** a brick after reading this
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