Solution to fake injuries

#77
#77
wmcovol said:
Give each team 3 “injury” timeouts per Qtr. After that, you have to use your game timeouts if a player is injured. If a player is removed from the game using an injury timeout, he should be ineligible to participate the rest of the possession unless the team elects to use a game timeout.

Coaches guard game timeouts like gold. That would eliminate or greatly reduce fake injuries.
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IMO:

A player injured sits out the rest of the quarter play is stopped for the injury. If the player returns to a later quarter and has a second injury resulting in the stoppage of play, the player is ineligible to return for that game. This is a player protection rule.
 
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Remy said:
IMO:

A player injured sits out the rest of the quarter play is stopped for the injury. If the player returns to a later quarter and has a second injury resulting in the stoppage of play, the player is ineligible to return for that game. This is a player protection rule.
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Sorry but that’s just stupid. A player can get the breath knocked out of him (easily to happen) and he sits for a Qtr? Gets hit in the crotch and is out of the game? Did you ever play at any level? Cramps do actually happen. If Hooker got a cramp in his calf early in the 4th Qtr, you’re saying he’s done for the game? Thankfully, people like you won’t make the rules.
 
#81
#81
mudhen said:
My point is that the keeper, like the QB, is so important that he warrants special attention.
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And my point is QB touches the ball every play. Not occasionally. It’s nothing like goalkeeper. Other that maybe a pitcher, no player controls their game like a QB
 
#82
#82
I’m concerned that a new rule would be implemented, and then we’ll get jammed by the new rule (sitting out a key player for a whole drive after a cramp or something)

Not allowing the defense to sub extra players (unless the offense subs) would be a great start, and would prevent a lot of what happened last night (basically unlimited time outs to sub out on D).

Side note: did y’all see Kiffin getting mad (and complaining to the ref) about us running the ball back to the ref in the middle of the field after an out of bounds play? He tried to sub after the out of bounds, and got caught with too many on the field.
 
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#83
Thunder Good-Oil said:
But then some will remain in the game with legit injuries. Player safety comes first.
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That’s on their team doctors and training staff to recognize that.
If a player goes down they should be out for the remainder of that series.
If a player goes down 3 times in a game they are no longer eligible to play.
that’s the best solution that is justifiable as both a means to end faking injuries and looking out for player safety. If a player goes down then keeping them out that series gives the doctors and training staff to properly evaluate their condition and removes the coaches from forcing them back out there. Also if a player goes down 3 times in a game obviously there is something serious that needs to be addressed. Once can be a small thing, a second could come as a cramp or random thing, but a third shows a pattern of injury that shows there’s more that needs to be looked at.

As for the “shook up qb” if a player is shook up they need to be looked at properly and not have docs/trainers being controlled by a coach that cares about winning more than the safety and health of the player. But I will say that a team should be able to use a timeout, much like they can to avoid a runoff, to be able to get a player back in. A doctor or trainer on the field should be able to assess the situation and be able to communicate with the coach before the player is taken on the field. If they think it’s just a stinger or something similar and the player can s fine to return in a play or 2 they can relay that to the coach who can inform the officials they want to use a timeout for the “down time” and that player will be eligible to return that series.
 
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bassvol said:
I’m concerned that a new rule would be implemented, and then we’ll get jammed by the new rule (sitting out a key player for a whole drive after a cramp or something)

Not allowing the defense to sub extra players (unless the offense subs) would be a great start, and would prevent a lot of what happened last night (basically unlimited time outs to sub out on D).

Side note: did y’all see Kiffin getting mad (and complaining to the ref) about us running the ball back to the ref in the middle of the field after an out of bounds play? He tried to sub after the out of bounds, and got caught with too many on the field.
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Kiffin didn’t know that rule or the one where Corral left due to injury and then they took a TO & he tried to sub him back in.
 
#85
#85
Here’s the deal guys, no coach is going to support a rule that prevents him from playing a star player who can play. They’d rather stay with the current system than get beat with their best player not playing cause of an injury rule that they can’t control.

Coaches have done a great job reteaching tackling. Targeting is only called 1 out of 4 games & usually it’s a bang/bang call where neither guy could help it
 
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wmcovol said:
Here’s the deal guys, no coach is going to support a rule that prevents him from playing a star player who can play. They’d rather stay with the current system than get beat with their best player not playing cause of an injury rule that they can’t control.


Yep. Over corrections are bad in general too.

Limiting substitutions to only the injured would get agreed to, and may send a message to cut it out.
Coaches have done a great job reteaching tackling. Targeting is only called 1 out of 4 games & usually it’s a bang/bang call where neither guy could help it
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#87
#87
Unfortunately flopping is and will be part of the game. It becomes majorly apparent when you have human debris coaching. Kiffin, Spurrier and basically every other Florida coach immediately come to mind as low character coaches that use flopping as a strategy. You don't see Saban, Sweeney, Riley or Jimbo playing that game. Instead of looking to rule changes for a solution, perhaps an innovative coach can devise a strategy to combat the practice itself. Maybe even throw a flag for unsportsmans like conduct if it is apparent. The only problem with that is the SEC officials are bad enough without adding more to their responsibilities.
 
#88
#88
Injured should be out for the entire series of downs, and be limited to the number of times they can be injured certainly not more than 2 times. 3 injuries and your out...unless time is called
 
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#90
Agree with making the player sit out multiple plays. More than the possession, because otherwise they could pull some ish on 3rd down, get a stop, and then be back for the next possession. Adding a bunch of injury timeouts, on the other hand, would just encourage the behavior. It's true that injuries do occur, but not always. What's to keep a coach from hoarding the injury timeouts and then getting into the last 2 minutes only to have " injuries"begin occuring and now he has 6 timeouts?
 
#91
#91
Coupla thoughts...This is a significant issue and must be addressed with some kind of new rule. Kiffin is EXACTLY the kind of slimeball coach who makes more rules necessary. Let's get back to basics. First question: Is this even an issue with players on Offense..??
Can we apply some kind of new policy to ONLY players on defense who are "flopping" to break up a drive, disrupt tempo and substitute players..?
Next: Some kind of "sitting out" requirement for the "injured" player is about the only thing that might help. One possession isn't nearly enough, ESPECIALLY if the "injured" player is on the defense. If we're going to protect players...let's keep that "injured" player off the field for AT LEAST two full possessions. If that's a bit too harsh overall...make the "two possession" break apply only to defense.
This problem has become part of "game strategy" now and will only get worse if it's not effectively addressed.
 
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