Softball commit dismissed from high school team

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We have took a lot of players who got suspended from their HS teams over the years. BK stayed in trouble in HS. Steve Kiner was in jail part of the time he was in HS. There were more than that but just naming some of the greats in UT history. A coach has to make a case by case determination. With some kids like Davis a staff chooses to go a different direction.
 
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I don't think she will be here long Ralph want tolerate bad attitudes may be best if she went elsewhere.
 
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Vols4life said:
In the game of softball for recruiting travel summer ball is much much bigger than high school ball
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Yes it is, but having a disciplinary problem (if thats the case here) is universal. Bet your ass the Weekleys know what happened, from both sides and everything in between.
 
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tbwhhs said:
In Tennessee no one is suppose to recruit players, but I have heard about private schools recruiting. Brentwood Academy got caught in football about 15 years ago and they sued to have the penalties thrown out, and tthe legal battle ended up at the US Supreme Court.

I believe she transferred to Beech because its closer to her home, she is zoned to go to Stratford which is a public school in Nashville. I also live in Sumner County, where Beech is, and we do have an open enrollment policy. Beech also does have a very good softball program and have had girls sign to play at D1 schools.
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Brentwood Academy got "caught" inviting 8th graders who (1) attended BA middle school (2) had already been accepted to high school at BA and (3) had already paid a nonrefundable deposit to attend high school the next year to watch a spring high school football practice. I am not trying to open up a can of worms, but I for one don't call that "recruiting".

Of more relevant concern here, how does this girl attend Beech (a Sumner County public school) when she is "zoned to go to Stratford" (a Davidson County public school). I have heard of "open zoning", but can one really attend an "open-zoned" school in a different county? If so, how do you feel about paying for the schooling of kids who don't even live (and pay taxes) in your county?
 
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State of the Vols said:
Brentwood Academy got "caught" inviting 8th graders who (1) attended BA middle school (2) had already been accepted to high school at BA and (3) had already paid a nonrefundable deposit to attend high school the next year to watch a spring high school football practice. I am not trying to open up a can of worms, but I for one don't call that "recruiting".

Of more relevant concern here, how does this girl attend Beech (a Sumner County public school) when she is "zoned to go to Stratford" (a Davidson County public school). I have heard of "open zoning", but can one really attend an "open-zoned" school in a different county? If so, how do you feel about paying for the schooling of kids who don't even live (and pay taxes) in your county?
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I suggest you look at the the requirements of each county. Some schools will allow you to transfer, provided you pay for your own transportation to this new school.

I can remember students getting expelled from a Davidson County school, exp. Litton High, and having to pay bus fare to say, Hume Fogg. It happens.
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
I suggest you look at the the requirements of each county. Some schools will allow you to transfer, provided you pay for your own transportation to this new school.

I can remember students getting expelled from a Davidson County school, exp. Litton High, and having to pay bus fare to say, Hume Fogg. It happens.
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Your example is two schools which are both in the same county (Davidson). Since the school systems are organized by county, and, importantly, since much of the funding for the public schools comes from the county, there is a huge difference in transferring from a school in the same county to transferring out of county. If this is allowed, why should Beech be treated any differently than the private schools, who are supposedly treated differently because the privates "have no zones"?
Not trying to give you a hard time - just trying to make sense of this, but if there are no restrictions on where a kid can attend public school, why treat the private schools differently?
 
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State of the Vols said:
Of more relevant concern here, how does this girl attend Beech (a Sumner County public school) when she is "zoned to go to Stratford" (a Davidson County public school). I have heard of "open zoning", but can one really attend an "open-zoned" school in a different county? If so, how do you feel about paying for the schooling of kids who don't even live (and pay taxes) in your county?
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In Sumner County the policy is that they have to pay a out of county fee, I don't know how much it is now. When the schools here in White House split in 2002 (some of the city is Robertson county) I believe the amount for those students was $400. But if a Sumner County Schools employee lives in another county their children can go to school here for free.
 
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tbwhhs said:
In Sumner County the policy is that they have to pay a out of county fee, I don't know how much it is now. When the schools here in White House split in 2002 (some of the city is Robertson county) I believe the amount for those students was $400. But if a Sumner County Schools employee lives in another county their children can go to school here for free.
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$400 per year is nowhere near the true cost of educating a student (which is well upwards of $10,000/year). If this is true, how does TSSAA justify splitting the publics and privates into D1 and D2 and applying a multiplier to those privates that stay on D1????
 
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State of the Vols said:
Brentwood Academy got "caught" inviting 8th graders who (1) attended BA middle school (2) had already been accepted to high school at BA and (3) had already paid a nonrefundable deposit to attend high school the next year to watch a spring high school football practice. I am not trying to open up a can of worms, but I for one don't call that "recruiting".

Of more relevant concern here, how does this girl attend Beech (a Sumner County public school) when she is "zoned to go to Stratford" (a Davidson County public school). I have heard of "open zoning", but can one really attend an "open-zoned" school in a different county? If so, how do you feel about paying for the schooling of kids who don't even live (and pay taxes) in your county?
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There was more goig than that. BA recruited heavily for a long time
 
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Vol67 said:
There was more goig than that. BA recruited heavily for a long time
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Whatever. I was just repeating the facts as stated in the various Court opinions. I guess you had some super secret evidence that for some reason the courts were not interested in hearing. You should have come out with it then rather than far more than a decade later from behind a screen name. I have no love lost at all for BA, but I truly do get sick of unsupported statements such as "BA recruited heavily for a long time", especially when no one seems to have a problem with an athlete going to a public school in a different county from where she lives. If that does not provide an unfair athletic advantage to Beech, I don't know what does.
 
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State of the Vols said:
Whatever. I was just repeating the facts as stated in the various Court opinions. I guess you had some super secret evidence that for some reason the courts were not interested in hearing. You should have come out with it then rather than far more than a decade later from behind a screen name. I have no love lost at all for BA, but I truly do get sick of unsupported statements such as "BA recruited heavily for a long time", especially when no one seems to have a problem with an athlete going to a public school in a different county from where she lives. If that does not provide an unfair athletic advantage to Beech, I don't know what does.
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Everyone knew it. The difference is what can be supported with visual facts in a court. Justice is blind in more ways than one. You seem to think because it wasn't proven in court means it never happened, I got news for you many have committed crimes and got away with it. Personally I don't think any Private school should be allowed in a Public league, They should have to compete only with each other.As for a student going to school in another county or another school within the county, that is a parents right. But being recruited is a school trying to get an illegal competitive advantage.
 
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Vol67 said:
Everyone knew it. The difference is what can be supported with visual facts in a court. Justice is blind in more ways than one. You seem to think because it wasn't proven in court means it never happened, I got news for you many have committed crimes and got away with it. Personally I don't think any Private school should be allowed in a Public league, They should have to compete only with each other.As for a student going to school in another county or another school within the county, that is a parents right. But being recruited is a school trying to get an illegal competitive advantage.
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Now I understand how someone can have 5,315 posts with 24 likes. Have a nice life.
 
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tim said:
Yes it is, but having a disciplinary problem (if thats the case here) is universal. Bet your ass the Weekleys know what happened, from both sides and everything in between.
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If she gets kicked off her summer ball team...let me know I doubt she will be...some coaches just have problems with kids for some reason
 
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State of the Vols said:
Your example is two schools which are both in the same county (Davidson). Since the school systems are organized by county, and, importantly, since much of the funding for the public schools comes from the county, there is a huge difference in transferring from a school in the same county to transferring out of county. If this is allowed, why should Beech be treated any differently than the private schools, who are supposedly treated differently because the privates "have no zones"?
Not trying to give you a hard time - just trying to make sense of this, but if there are no restrictions on where a kid can attend public school, why treat the private schools differently?
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I understand that both schools are in the same zone. My point I guess was that if a student can provide their own transportation plus whatever fees that are required to transfer, perhaps it is ok.
 
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CJ has been an ongoing problem. She had an outburst during a game and it was the last straw for Coach Powell. I respect the fact that Coach Powell dismissed her. A lot of coaches would've treated her differently just because she's such a good player. Maybe getting dismissed will fix her attitude problem before she gets to Knoxville.
 
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SycloneJoe said:
CJ has been an ongoing problem. She had an outburst during a game and it was the last straw for Coach Powell. I respect the fact that Coach Powell dismissed her. A lot of coaches would've treated her differently just because she's such a good player. Maybe getting dismissed will fix her attitude problem before she gets to Knoxville.
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But what caused it.
 
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Vol67 said:
But what caused it.
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What caused the outburst during the game? I believe it started over a call that didn't go her way. I'm not sure exactly what she told the coaches to get dismissed. It doesn't really matter though. It wasn't the first time she had been a problem. You can only take so much of a bad attitude and disrespect.
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
I understand that both schools are in the same zone. My point I guess was that if a student can provide their own transportation plus whatever fees that are required to transfer, perhaps it is ok.
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Back in the day, we strongly considered transferring to Maryville or to Oak Ridge (that one would have been a reach.) We lived in Knox County.

The only requirement would have been to pay out-of-county tuition. It might well be different now, as this was 12-15 years ago.
 
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VolNExile said:
Back in the day, we strongly considered transferring to Maryville or to Oak Ridge (that one would have been a reach.) We lived in Knox County.

The only requirement would have been to pay out-of-county tuition. It might well be different now, as this was 12-15 years ago.
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All I'm saying is if that is the case, how is that different from a Division 1 private school )which cannot give financial aid to athletes), other than the private school kids are not subsidized by any taxpayer dollars and thus must pay far more tuition. The Division 1 private schools are subject to a multiplier, whereby their tuition is multiplied by 1.7 to determine the classification in which they play. If the publics have absolutely no zones, treating the privates differently makes no sense to me.
 
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SycloneJoe said:
What caused the outburst during the game? I believe it started over a call that didn't go her way. I'm not sure exactly what she told the coaches to get dismissed. It doesn't really matter though. It wasn't the first time she had been a problem. You can only take so much of a bad attitude and disrespect.
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Sounds like more going on here than what we are getting
 
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