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#51
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Score50 said:
The difference is some coaches (See OU) get their teams ready for tournament play. Regular season titles mean nothing. Can you tell me who won the regular season tile in SEC in 2021?Probably not but we all know who has won 4 consecutive National Championships. CKW should really consider her time at UT as a great achievement. I do as well, but her best years are behind her. It’s time to start thinking about passing the baton and not staying too long.
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Believe Vanderbilt beat out Florida that year. Like I said, her legacy or duties are not jeopardy anything soon. Good thing she did win those back to back meaningless titles as she’s well ahead of the rest of the field for job security for coaches that need to be relieved.
 
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#53
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Majors said:
Believe Vanderbilt beat out Florida that year. Like I said, her legacy or duties are not jeopardy anything soon. Good thing she did win those back to back meaningless titles as she’s well ahead of the rest of the field for job security for coaches that need to be relieved.
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Can’t argue that point either.
 
#54
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SGMVols said:
I wonder if there wasn’t an implied discussion about a head-coach-in-waiting deal

You don’t get someone to walk away from a top 2 recruiting class without offering something extraordinary.
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Karen intends to coach at least five more years, so I doubt it. But he saw his good friend get an SEC head coaching job from being a Tennessee assistant while he didn’t get a look after doing a really good job the last two years at TTU.
 
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Score50 said:
The difference is some coaches (See OU) get their teams ready for tournament play. Regular season titles mean nothing. Can you tell me who won the regular season tile in SEC in 2021?Probably not but we all know who has won 4 consecutive National Championships. CKW should really consider her time at UT as a great achievement. I do as well, but her best years are behind her. It’s time to start thinking about passing the baton and not staying too long.
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She finished third in the country last year.
 
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EZE said:
It should be our goal for sure. But you can’t be clamoring to fire coaches if they don’t reach it.
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How many years should we give them with the resources she has and support from all of Vol nation? That should be the goal every year but I not sure Karen believes she can get us there. Her teams play through her and she changes once post season starts.
 
#59
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Score50 said:
How many years should we give them with the resources she has and support from all of Vol nation? That should be the goal every year but I not sure Karen believes she can get us there. Her teams play through her and she changes once post season starts.
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I’m sorry, but you can’t fire successful coaches who win at a high rate, who win conference titles, who run clean programs and whose players represent the school well just because they haven’t won a national title.

Yes, Gasso, has somehow caught lightning in a bottle. And I tip my cap.

But that means that very few other coaches have won a national title over the past several years.
 
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Winning a national championship is extremely hard, although OU made it seems pretty easy the last couple of years. Sometimes teams get easier matchups in regionals and supers, sometimes you run into a team that is peaking at the right time, sometimes you get lucky and don't have to play a top team at the world series (I think that if we did not have to play OU last year in the 1-0 game we are likely to make the champ series). Whatever it may be it, being one of the final 2 teams is a long, hard road. Look at UCLA they had their dry spell a couple years ago with no national championships or even wcws appearances, look at Arizona for awhile they didn't make it to okc, just because a team does not make it to okc or even win a national championship it does not mean that the head coach is not successful. I am just as critical of Karen as the next person on this forum is, but I think she is going to be fine.
 
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EZE said:
I’m sorry, but you can’t fire successful coaches who win at a high rate, who win conference titles, who run clean programs and whose players represent the school well just because they haven’t won a national title.

Yes, Gasso, has somehow caught lightning in a bottle. And I tip my cap.

But that means that very few other coaches have won a national title over the past several years.
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Can’t argue your points.
 
#63
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EZE said:
I’m sorry, but you can’t fire successful coaches who win at a high rate, who win conference titles, who run clean programs and whose players represent the school well just because they haven’t won a national title.

Yes, Gasso, has somehow caught lightning in a bottle. And I tip my cap.

But that means that very few other coaches have won a national title over the past several years.
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You can but it’s a hero or zero move for the AD.

If you do the AD has to upgrade the program Coaching, swapping for equal is not acceptable.

The problem is when someone has been at a place and not hit the pinnacle of success of a NC after decades the chances they are going to reach the pinnacle goes down each year.

I am not calling for CKW to go, just stating to expect a NC with her at helm maybe expecting too much, Hoping sure.

So if you are no longer expecting and setting the bar as NC then you are setting the bar at conference title which will probably be harder moving forward in SEC With OK & TX.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
You can but it’s a hero or zero move for the AD.

If you do the AD has to upgrade the program Coaching, swapping for equal is not acceptable.

The problem is when someone has been at a place and not hit the pinnacle of success of a NC after decades the chances they are going to reach the pinnacle goes down each year.

I am not calling for CKW to go, just stating to expect a NC with her at helm maybe expecting too much, Hoping sure.

So if you are no longer expecting and setting the bar as NC then you are setting the bar at conference title which will probably be harder moving forward in SEC With OK & TX.
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Who do you expect to win a national championship not named Oklahoma right now? Tennessee is in the conversation of yearly competing for a NC, along with Texas, Florida, Stanford, UCLA etc. but only one team is expected to win until proven different.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
How so? What do they have that every school in the conference doesn’t already have? Part of the reason Oklahoma is Oklahoma is because they were playing against two other teams in their entire conference that actually tried to win at softball.
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That works for their conference record, but it doesn't fly when you factor in the national championships. They just have great teams year after year.
 
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Majors said:
Who do you expect to win a national championship not named Oklahoma right now? Tennessee is in the conversation of yearly competing for a NC, along with Texas, Florida, Stanford, UCLA etc. but only one team is expected to win until proven different.
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I do not disagree.

Just stating that I don't expect one with current staff after decades of trying when there was less of a dynasty to deal with in previous decades.

The biggest part of my comment was more that it is going to be hard moving forward to keep winning SEC trophies with OK and TX in league. When the SEC trophies stop, what does the AD do?
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
I do not disagree.

Just stating that I don't expect one with current staff after decades of trying when there was less of a dynasty to deal with in previous decades.

The biggest part of my comment was more that it is going to be hard moving forward to keep winning SEC trophies with OK and TX in league. When the SEC trophies stop, what does the AD do?
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People keep saying that it’ll be harder for Tennessee. I don’t disagree, it’ll be harder for OU and Texas as well which seems to be lost. Both come in at the top of the league along with Florida, LSU, Texas AM & Tennessee.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
You can but it’s a hero or zero move for the AD.

If you do the AD has to upgrade the program Coaching, swapping for equal is not acceptable.

The problem is when someone has been at a place and not hit the pinnacle of success of a NC after decades the chances they are going to reach the pinnacle goes down each year.

I am not calling for CKW to go, just stating to expect a NC with her at helm maybe expecting too much, Hoping sure.

So if you are no longer expecting and setting the bar as NC then you are setting the bar at conference title which will probably be harder moving forward in SEC With OK & TX.
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What if you fire her and then the program ends up in the toilet for over a decade like football? And that is what usually happens.

This is a a highly successful program. One of the elite programs in the country. I wouldn’t mess with it until such time that it slips.
 
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Majors said:
People keep saying that it’ll be harder for Tennessee. I don’t disagree, it’ll be harder for OU and Texas as well which seems to be lost. Both come in at the top of the league along with Florida, LSU, Texas AM & Tennessee.
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I’m keeping my eye on Trisha Ford and A&M.
 
#71
#71
THEONLYTENISEE said:
Does Softball portal any needs?
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Pitcher(s) #2 and possibly #3….ideally a LHP
Backup Catcher…Jackie is a nice backup if one doesn’t happen. Drop off hitting.
Speed/OF/Experience
Players/athletes to help team speed upgrade

1-3 spots puts the team at 22-24 players. Last season we carried 23 in the end.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
OK, but that’s not what we were talking about here. Your post said that schools in the SEC were going to have to seriously upgrade their softball programs. What is it that they are going to have to upgrade? What do you think that Oklahoma has that SEC schools do not?
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I would say the other conference schools may have to upgrade their coaching staffs and facilities.
 
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