Socialism Fails Everytime ...

[ClearwaterVol]

You don’t have to agree with me. If you like mayo that doesn’t mean you’re a commie.

His policies that he supports are not the policies that made this the greatest country. Quite the opposite in fact. His policies are detrimental to everyone’s way of life, thus anti-American. Don’t be mad because you’ve never been able to back up your positions.

You have never made an argument which you supported with anything other than your racist hypotheses.

 

[0nelilreb]

Wrong, trump just did a far better job of creating a shady boogyman and conjuring up doubt in his opponents while stepping and fetching around the same bombs being lobbed at him. He duped just enough of the voters in a handful of key states to swing an ec victory. It was an effective strategy and it worked - credit given where credit is due but please just don't pretend it's something it's not.

What does it mean "you went all in"? You think that HRC was as far left as it could have been? Sanders was so far to the left of her he was on her right.

I never said you went all in with Hillary , I was talking about Barry’s 2nd term . That’s when the shift left started leaning hard . Trump is the pull back from Barry and Euro elitist crowd .

 

[tvolsfan]

I never said you went all in with Hillary , I was talking about Barry’s 2nd term . That’s when the shift left started leaning hard . Trump is the pull back from Barry and Euro elitist crowd .

What was all the elitist stuff he did? Serious question.

 

[Septic]

Paying excessively more for excessively less is not ideal in any situation. Of course you’ve been a drain on society your entire life, so you don’t know what being worth a crap is like.

It's an older study but I imagine the margins have gotten wider. By this study, we're already paying excessively more (2.5x) for less.

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

But let’s consider what 17 cents of every U.S. dollar is purchasing. According to the most recent report from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) — an international economic group comprised of 34 member nations — it’s not as much as many Americans expect.

In the United States:

• There are fewer physicians per person than in most other OECD countries. In 2010, for instance, the U.S. had 2.4 practicing physicians per 1,000 people — well below below the OECD average of 3.1.
• The number of hospital beds in the U.S. was 2.6 per 1,000 population in 2009, lower than the OECD average of 3.4 beds.
• Life expectancy at birth increased by almost nine years between 1960 and 2010, but that’s less than the increase of over 15 years in Japan and over 11 years on average in OECD countries. The average American now lives 78.7 years in 2010, more than one year below the average of 79.8 years.

There’s a bright side, to be sure. The U.S. leads the world in health care research and cancer treatment, for instance. The five-year survival rate for breast cancer is higher in the U.S. than in other OECD countries and survival from colorectal cancer is also among the best, according to the group.

 

[tumscalcium]

You have never made an argument which you supported with anything other than your racist hypotheses.

Oh right, I’m racist...

I sometimes forget that you want us to be like countries that are even whiter than we are while never wanting us to model us after a black or brown country. Lmao.

Never change, keep that head buried firmly in the sand.

 

[0nelilreb]

What was all the elitist stuff he did? Serious question.

The running around for a year apologizing to everyone for us being America is a good start . When your American President and the Canadian primister act so much alike it’s hard to tell a difference , there’s a problem .

 

[luthervol]

That went over their head. Maybe an AC-DC reference next time.

For those about to rock!

 

[Septic]

I never said you went all in with Hillary , I was talking about Barry’s 2nd term . That’s when the shift left started leaning hard . Trump is the pull back from Barry and Euro elitist crowd .

If you say so, seems that the "real reason" seems to vary based on the convenience of the argument. Wish you guys would come to a consensus.

 

[hog88]

Either way will work. Cost of healthcare would plummet under a cash only system with providers having the right to refuse service. Personally, I don't think America has the stomach for it though.

We don't have to go to a cash only system, we can allow the insurance companies to sell catastrophic plans and allow providers to refuse service and that will fix a lot of the problems.

 

[Mick]

For those about to rock!

Highway to hell!

 

[hog88]

I’ll start believing it’s the envy of the world when all the other countries start scrapping their systems.

If they were responsible for 100% of their security you just might see them do that.

 

[0nelilreb]

If you say so, seems that the "real reason" seems to vary based on the convenience of the argument. Wish you guys would come to a consensus.

I do say so . Notice I said it , not “ you guys “ . Don’t sling the mud around when I’m the one saying it .

 

[tvolsfan]

If they were responsible for 100% of their security you just might see them do that.

Why? They spend less on health care per capita than we do.

 

[tumscalcium]

It's an older study but I imagine the margins have gotten wider. By this study, we're already paying excessively more (2.5x) for less.

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

How much will it cost each person for this and what services will be provided?

Will this affect pay for doctors, nurses, specialists, techs, etc? How will this influence research and medical supplies/equipment?

Why do you put all of your faith in the government to run a program involving 330m people and their lives? Why do you put 100% of your support in the government to decide what’s best for you?

 

[CABVOL]

Why? They spend less on health care per capita than we do.

It is true that they spend less per capita. I do believe it is due to multiple factors. First is we obviously have higher costs for meds, procedures, basically everything. But a very large reason contributing to the increased spending is because the US population is simply less healthy than other countries, and this is by our own doing.

Type 2 diabetes is a large consumption of services and it is solely each person's life-style that causes this. Heart disease is also a large consumption of services. Again, this is MOSTLY due to the patient's lifestyle. We consume fast food constantly, don't exercise enough, and are just generally lazier as a whole as a country.

 

[tumscalcium]

It is true that they spend less per capita. I do believe it is due to multiple factors. First is we obviously have higher costs for meds, procedures, basically everything. But a very large reason contributing to the increased spending is because the US population is simply less healthy than other countries, and this is by our own doing.

Type 2 diabetes is a large consumption of services and it is solely each person's life-style that causes this. Heart disease is also a large consumption of services. Again, this is MOSTLY due to the patient's lifestyle. We consume fast food constantly, don't exercise enough, and are just generally lazier as a whole as a country.

Indeed.

 

[tvolsfan]

It is true that they spend less per capita. I do believe it is due to multiple factors. First is we obviously have higher costs for meds, procedures, basically everything. But a very large reason contributing to the increased spending is because the US population is simply less healthy than other countries, and this is by our own doing.

Type 2 diabetes is a large consumption of services and it is solely each person's life-style that causes this. Heart disease is also a large consumption of services. Again, this is MOSTLY due to the patient's lifestyle. We consume fast food constantly, don't exercise enough, and are just generally lazier as a whole as a country.

I used to think that, but it’s a myth.

The main reason health care is significantly cheaper in other countries with universal health care is the government can simply negotiate much better deals with providers.

 

[luthervol]

It is true that they spend less per capita. I do believe it is due to multiple factors. First is we obviously have higher costs for meds, procedures, basically everything. But a very large reason contributing to the increased spending is because the US population is simply less healthy than other countries, and this is by our own doing.

Type 2 diabetes is a large consumption of services and it is solely each person's life-style that causes this. Heart disease is also a large consumption of services. Again, this is MOSTLY due to the patient's lifestyle. We consume fast food constantly, don't exercise enough, and are just generally lazier as a whole as a country.

Not only higher priced meds, hundreds of billions of dollars worth of unnecessary, even harmful, meds. Throw in hundreds of billions spent on unnecessary tests and screenings and it adds up quickly.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

We don't have to go to a cash only system, we can allow the insurance companies to sell catastrophic plans and allow providers to refuse service and that will fix a lot of the problems.

That would work. Best insurance plan I ever had was one that had no co pays. $7,000.00/$10,000.00 deductible, paid 100% after that. No networks. No preferred providers etc.

 

[hog88]

I used to think that, but it’s a myth.

The main reason health care is significantly cheaper in other countries with universal health care is the government can simply negotiate much better deals with providers.

Something like 65% of our population is overweight/obese so it's not a myth.

 

[tvolsfan]

Something like 65% of our population is overweight/obese so it's not a myth.

1. There are fat people everywhere.
2. It just isn’t the reason for the high costs. It’s not that we need more treatment than everyone else. It’s that we spend more on the same treatment.

 

[CABVOL]

I used to think that, but it’s a myth.

The main reason health care is significantly cheaper in other countries with universal health care is the government can simply negotiate much better deals with providers.

The government definitely "negotiates" cheaper prices. Their negotiation, atleast in this country, is 'we will pay you this and that's it'. There is no negotiation.

Living in Kentucky, I see it every day walking through the halls of my hospital about unhealthy lifestyles. Heck, I need to lose 25 lbs myself. Go to Walmart to just people watch. We are an overweight, lazy society.

Obesity Rates & Trend Data

Are We as Fat as We Think?

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

 

[hog88]

That would work. Best insurance plan I ever had was one that had no co pays. $7,000.00/$10,000.00 deductible, paid 100% after that. No networks. No preferred providers etc.

Used to have a similar plan and it worked for our family, about all we could afford at the time.

 

[tvolsfan]

The government definitely "negotiates" cheaper prices. Their negotiation, atleast in this country, is 'we will pay you this and that's it'. There is no negotiation.

Living in Kentucky, I see it every day walking through the halls of my hospital about unhealthy lifestyles. Heck, I need to lose 25 lbs myself. Go to Walmart to just people watch. We are an overweight, lazy society.

Obesity Rates & Trend Data

Are We as Fat as We Think?

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

We are definitely fat. It’s just not the reason our health care is so much more expensive.

 

[hog88]

1. There are fat people everywhere.
2. It just isn’t the reason for the high costs. It’s not that we need more treatment than everyone else. It’s that we spend more on the same treatment.

I'm sure there is a study out there somewhere to back it up that we don't receive more treatment than anyone else.