So What are we going to do about these kids?

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utmba93 said:
You've certainly been on the Hill during a transitional time. Congratulations on getting to your senior year.... and good luck !
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Haha I know it. Thanks I just hope I don't see anymore transition. I don't want a new coach this year or I don't wanna be there so long I see the next coach haha.
 
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ZWVol11 said:
Those are 18 year olds that are sculpted with repetitive discipline not 18 year old kids that are going to school to play a game. Huge difference there. I'm not degrading our athletes, I'm just saying that people in the military have a greater responsibility that to play football games in the fall. Plus not every 18 year old goes into the military so not all 18 year olds are the same.
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True, but all 18 years olds are given the opportunity. Doesn't that mean anything?
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Think about where a lot of these kids come from. It's sometimes tough for them to understand what good decisions are, especially when it's not programmed in them at a young age. It's hard for some of these kids, because sports is the only way out, because our school systems and teachers fail a lot of them.
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True, but their parents fail them more often.
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crusse10 said:
Very true. That 18 year old is an adult.

An 18 year old who's grown up having nothing to do but study for HS classes and play a game...Not quite the same thing.

18 years does not an adult make.
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Then what does? Technically it does bc to enroll in some of the branches you HAVE to get that high school diploma. Just like in the work force you HAVE to be qualified to get the better job or promotion. I'm not saying all act like adults in no way, but legally 18 is considered the start of adulthood and decisions.
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Nashvol2 said:
True, but their parents fail them more often.
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I don't disagree. In today's society, in a lot of the areas where these kids come from, the teachers have more interaction with these kids than the parents do. Yet, the teachers don't want to set expectations for them either.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Then what does? Technically it does bc to enroll in some of the branches you HAVE to get that high school diploma. Just like in the work force you HAVE to be qualified to get the better job or promotion. I'm not saying all act like adults in no way, but legally 18 is considered the start of adulthood and decisions.
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I don't consider someone a "real" adult, until they are at least 25. Going to college doesn't make you an adult, or even turning 18. Making the right decisions and taking care of your responsibilities on a daily basis constitutes that, IMO. I didn't grow up until I was about 24, then I figured things out. My parents were great too, I just wasn't motivated.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
True, but all 18 years olds are given the opportunity. Doesn't that mean anything?
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Yes it means that those 18 year olds that enlist may be more mature than others. But that just adds to my argument. I agree with you.
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To reply to the title of the thread, "WE" aren't going to do anything about any of these players. The better title would have been, "What is Coach Dooley ( or their head coach) going to do with these kids?"
 
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utmba93 said:
I'm mostly tired of hearing about arrests when it involves the Vols. Just keeping it real.

CMR seems to have most of this under control for you guys. But, the next time a grandma matters, we're going to give you a run for your money.

Still, you raise a good question. This was all over the internet before these guys could get home.
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Umm did you not see that UGA had 2 players arrested like the day after our little incident? Iowa just had a player arrested for DUI also.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Then what does? Technically it does bc to enroll in some of the branches you HAVE to get that high school diploma. Just like in the work force you HAVE to be qualified to get the better job or promotion. I'm not saying all act like adults in no way, but legally 18 is considered the start of adulthood and decisions.
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I find that there's a distinct difference between being "of age" and being an "adult". Being of age means that you've lived a certain amount of years. Congrats. I don't think that qualifies you to make certain decisions. I leave that up to the person who actually did things with their years. Those people who took control and are focused are adults.

I'll reiterate my point, though. When you've gone through boot camp and are putting your life in danger, you're an adult. I totally agree.

When you never worked a day in your life, and your "job" is to play a game, and you don't know how to differentiate between good ideas and awful ideas, you're not an adult. You're an 18 year old kid.

I'd say it's safe to assume that of the thousands of incoming freshman at UT, >80% are 18 year old kids.
 
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everyone acts like they haven't done something in the past they regret! we have all drunk & dove or underage drunk. lets give these boys some slack if somebodey got in a fight that is one of your best friends, you would jump in. it shows a form of bondsmenship and brotherhood. lets not be arrogant please. everyone has a brother/friends back. even if its one vs. one (dickhead who happens to be a off duty cop) ((whats the chances)). not only is this post for our Tennessee Volunteer Football Players but this is to our Volnation!
 
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I love this "WE" stuff...what are "we" going to do with them...how will "WE" make it through the season...what "WE"?...I love watching football but your not Jerry Jones...your not an owner, your not a coach, gee as far as I know your not even a waterboy!!!!! If Dooley and Hamilton doesn't handle it. Then the SEC gets involved. Then if that doesn't happen, the NCAA. The chances are the one's that really broke the law. The courts will handle them.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Think about where a lot of these kids come from. It's sometimes tough for them to understand what good decisions are, especially when it's not programmed in them at a young age. It's hard for some of these kids, because sports is the only way out, because our school systems and teachers fail a lot of them.
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Lets not forget parenting too Eric. It starts at home.

Edit: I didnt read whole thread b4 posting.

What Nash said.
 
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I firmly believe in second chances. People mess up, even adults. Hopefully you learn from your mistakes and move on. Keep messing up and you deserve what you get for being so damn stupid.
 
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There's a qualitative difference between somebody who gets caught with a small amount of weed versus a player who attacks a guy in a bar. There's a qualitative difference between a player who has to much too drink and gets pulled over on suspicion of DUI versus a player who displays a firearm during an argument.

I am all for some level of understanding for players who make a mistake at that age. I am far less sympathetic when they do something that is intentional and violent. Seems to me those kids almost always get in trouble again. And again. And again. And that is because it is a character flaw that no amount of second chance will cure.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There's a qualitative difference between somebody who gets caught with a small amount of weed versus a player who attacks a guy in a bar. There's a qualitative difference between a player who has to much too drink and gets pulled over on suspicion of DUI versus a player who displays a firearm during an argument.

I am all for some level of understanding for players who make a mistake at that age. I am far less sympathetic when they do something that is intentional and violent. Seems to me those kids almost always get in trouble again. And again. And again. And that is because it is a character flaw that no amount of second chance will cure.
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I agree with most of that but not sure about the first comparison. If by "attack" you mean walk in and beat the crap out of a guy for no reason, then yes. If words were exchanged, a fight occurred, and someone lost, then no. If someone else is hurt in the chaos by mistake, then no.
 
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crusse10 said:
I disagree. Just because your heart has been beating for 18 years doesn't mean you're necessarily mature enough to be considered an adult
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Mature or not, you are considered an adult. If someone can fight for our country...or vote...then they are old enough to know right from wrong. My 11 year old would know not to kick/beat someone that was laying on the ground not moving!!!

I do believe in second chances, by all means. But we have got to get out of the mentality, "kids will be kids." We MUST raise the bar and set higher standards for today's youth! Not just ball players...youth in general. We are raising kids that accept NO responsibility, they think mom and dad can "fix" everything, they do not follow rules, they will not know how to hold a job because they have had hand outs their entire life and we have lost touch with the meaning "spare the rod, spoil the child." Our children are spoiled. They think they can do anything they want. Teammates, let alone parents and coaches, should expect more from each other and hold one another accountable for their actions. Student athletes are the ones our little guys look up to and want to "be just like." We as parents need to teach our kids what "guilty by association" means and raise the bar ourselves.
 
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If the reality of what went down Thursday night is closer to what Basilio is hearing where this group of players were tossed out of two bars before landing at Bar Knox and reportedly looking to rumble then something is way wrong and missing from their decision making skills. This sounds more premeditated than a simple reaction to a provocation. How could they not think that this wasn't going to come back to hurt them? Why would gang banging around be fun, more fun, then working towards success on the field?

It would have been nice if one person in the group or perhaps knowing what was brewing would have placed a call to Lott or Walker or some other respected leader so they could have got in their and broke things up before they got out of control.

Then you can truly run your character diversion/discipline program in house versus publicly and through the law.

Unbelievable how stupid these guys can be. I've done my share of drinking and carousing in college and after without ever starting and even getting into a fight.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
To reply to the title of the thread, "WE" aren't going to do anything about any of these players. The better title would have been, "What is Coach Dooley ( or their head coach) going to do with these kids?"
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Exactly! Some folks forget that we are just fans. Some definitely more passionate than others, but still just fans.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
If the reality of what went down Thursday night is closer to what Basilio is hearing where this group of players were tossed out of two bars before landing at Bar Knox and reportedly looking to rumble then something is way wrong and missing from their decision making skills. This sounds more premeditated than a simple reaction to a provocation. How could they not think that this wasn't going to come back to hurt them? Why would gang banging around be fun, more fun, then working towards success on the field?

It would have been nice if one person in the group or perhaps knowing what was brewing would have placed a call to Lott or Walker or some other respected leader so they could have got in their and broke things up before they got out of control.

Then you can truly run your character diversion/discipline program in house versus publicly and through the law.

Unbelievable how stupid these guys can be. I've done my share of drinking and carousing in college and after without ever starting and even getting into a fight.
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Oh yeh, that would be the most popular guy on the squad. "The guy who will call coach on you"
And, did you play on a nationally recognized team and were out with 7 of them when you did your "drunk carousing"? Just wondering, bc to act like you'd get the same looks/stares as these boys get out on the town is silly. Not making an excuse, but truth is truth. Hell, half of the bouncers likely grew up dreaming to play in the SEC, and obviously didn't.
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