So we cant slam a coach here?

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Patience will be rewarded only to the extent that we have a staff that can win. I understand the skepticism and tend to agree with it. Almost all of us are justified in saying prove it. I think we will, but the point is absolutely valid.
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Exaclty. If we could uspset one team this year and make a good showing in any bowl game, then everyone would have to agree that there was improvement from last year. Right now, we've got a subjective situation where one group is willing to give a complete pass this year and another group is going to microanalyze every misstep by the staff and blow it out of proportion. We need something good to happen here.
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Its hard to have it happen when you lose your top QB and wide receiver in the same year and have no running game.

We've had some bad breaks this year and we are too inexperienced and thin at depth to overcome it
 
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GAVol said:
There's definitely some of that going on. I think most of it though is a frustration with those that want to evaluate Dooley out of context.
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Each side avoids the other's context and both have legit points.
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CountVolcula said:
Its hard to have it happen when you lose your top QB and wide receiver in the same year and have no running game.

We've had some bad breaks this year and we are too inexperienced and thin at depth to overcome it
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I'm not going to get caught up in a circular debate, but UGA was a winnable game and we had our top QB and enough weapons on the field to get the job done. Bad breaks yes. Mistakes as well.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I'm not going to get caught up in a circular debate, but UGA was a winnable game and we had our top QB and enough weapons on the field to get the job done. Bad breaks yes. Mistakes as well.
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That was Dooley's worst game. The blocking scheme and effort were abysmal. That game changed some stuff for us. Terrible way to learn a lesson, but failure is often the only teacher.
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I'm not going to get caught up in a circular debate, but UGA was a winnable game and we had our top QB and enough weapons on the field to get the job done. Bad breaks yes. Mistakes as well.
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Yes. I do agree

I think that all of us are frustrated over the whole situation

Some just thought the run would never end and we all knew it would, we just didnt want to believe it.

Now, most think we will never come out of it and we will. Its just going to take time.

I can tell you Florida fans didnt think they would ever be less than 1st in the East, but look at them now.

Best thing we can do is sit back and enjoy what we have and be glad we are alive and well
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Exaclty. If we could uspset one team this year and make a good showing in any bowl game, then everyone would have to agree that there was improvement from last year. Right now, we've got a subjective situation where one group is willing to give a complete pass this year and another group is going to microanalyze every misstep by the staff and blow it out of proportion. We need something good to happen here.
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Spot on. This post validates your guru tag.. for now, constant evaluation :)
 
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VolsMcGee said:
So the expectation is to bring in a Heisman winner AND a national championship by year two?
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All the other coaches that were quoted did. So it can obviously be done. Yes ,he has brought in talent. But other coaches brought in alot more talent their first couple of years in bad situations them selves. I say Dooley should get next year to prove he can win here or improve our program. But to act like he has done as good or better a job than any other coach could have done with our program is ignorant.

Say Saban came here under the same circumstances with the same roster you think we wouldn't be better right now?
 
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transammann said:
If someone does not like the fact that our coach cant win and never has..WE CANT SLAM HIM????

If he was winning I wouldn't slam him!!!!!!!!!!

Saban won what in 2nd year??
Meyer won what in 2nd year??
Chizik won what in 2nd year??

Hell even Tommy Tuberville beat the #3 ranked team and is 5-2 in HIS SECOND YEAR!!!


But god forbid anyone slam our coach for not doing better then 47% win ratio!
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I have an idea. Let's fire Dooley for that 47% win ratio. That should be an excellent move for the program. That will show the nation we don't put up with bad win ratios. Nevermind the depleted roster. No excuses.

Also, what if when we hire that new coach, we fire him right away just for good measure.

After that we should be winning nation championships the very next year. Undefeated seasons from there on!!
 
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k-town_king said:
All the other coaches that were quoted did. So it can obviously be done. Yes ,he has brought in talent. But other coaches brought in alot more talent their first couple of years in bad situations them selves. I say Dooley should get next year to prove he can win here or improve our program. But to act like he has done as good or better a job than any other coach could have done with our program is ignorant.

Say Saban came here under the same circumstances with the same roster you think we wouldn't be better right now?
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This is a huge problem

It is very rare for it to happen

Fans need to temper expectations. Its nothing new though. Society has produced milions of individuals who believe everything has to be done now.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Yes. I do agree

I think that all of us are frustrated over the whole situation

Some just thought the run would never end and we all knew it would, we just didnt want to believe it.

Now, most think we will never come out of it and we will. Its just going to take time.

I can tell you Florida fans didnt think they would ever be less than 1st in the East, but look at them know.

Best thing we can do is set back and enjoy what we have and be glad we are alive and well
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Spot on as well. I was disappointed after the UGA, and lessons were learned. It's not just Dooley learning, Chaney and Wilcox are learning as well. Their mistakes are compounded by our talent deficiency. Sometimes great players mask coaching mistakes, in our case the mistakes are highlighted. Dooley and staff basically have to scheme a perfect game for us to have a chance against the Bama's and LSU's.. Something I think they did for the 1st halves.. The talent gap became clear in the second half of each of those games and there was nothing else we could do, our cards were on the table already.

To further compound our problems, we have no veteran leadership that can teach the younger players the intangibles.. how to prepare for the gameday experience and atmosphere, staying focused, pull them out of the fire when they get smacked in the mouth, examples of how to stay focused during off-weeks, balancing school with football, etc, etc. We've had documented issues with almost all of these things.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Patience will be rewarded only to the extent that we have a staff that can win. I understand the skepticism and tend to agree with it. Almost all of us are justified in saying prove it. I think we will, but the point is absolutely valid.
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I don't see most of the shouting down going at people who say prove it -- hell, it sure seems to me like the vast majority on this board is still in prove-it mode. Most of the shouting down seems aimed at those who think we've already seen enough, Dooley is a loser, etc etc.

I definitely feel like Dooley's got a long way to go to prove it on the field, but he's allayed my worst fear, which was that he wouldn't recruit well enough to adequately rebuild the roster. He's doing that, so now we're in a situation where either A) Dooley will be end up being the guy or B) the guy after him will get to start with a full deck of cards. I'm reasonably content with that. And I feel like that's pretty much the majority opinion.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I don't see most of the shouting down going at people who say prove it -- hell, it sure seems to me like the vast majority on this board is still in prove-it mode. Most of the shouting down seems aimed at those who think we've already seen enough.
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I think this is spot on.
 
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fade route said:
Brian Kelly would have taken it
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Yeah he's about to get shown the door there for not winning the NC in 2 years ,just like you *******s scream for here..He might listen

Call him ,better yet leave him a note on here..Im sure all D1 coaches love the attention from nutass message boards
 
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JohnnyBall said:
Yeah he's about to get shown the door there for not winning the NC in 2 years ,just like you *******s scream for here..He might listen

Call him ,better yet leave him a note on here..Im sure all D1 coaches love the attention from nutass message boards
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I agree with you telling him that was a moronic post; what's even dumber is that when we hired Dooley, Notre Dame had already hired Kelly a month earlier. Somehow, I don't think he would jump ship after a month. This just shows you the sheer brilliance that fade brings to the board.
 
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like seriously.....anyways i say that to say this. this dooley stuff is getting old. so how bout we talk about things that we can control. like our fan support
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Downing the staff has definitely become taboo here.
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No, let me set the record straight here. I sent Freak an e-mail. He responded, and fixed the problem. It's all good.

I have found Freak and GAVol to be above board, and above reproach, when it comes to keeping the board straight.

Having spent my time in "VN Siberia" for posts I've made, I think I'm qualified to say they are more than fair, all of the time.

Thanks, Freak, and Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
No, let me set the record straight here. I sent Freak an e-mail. He responded, and fixed the problem. It's all good.

I have found Freak and GAVol to be above board, and above reproach, when it comes to keeping the board straight.

Having spent my time in "VN Siberia" for posts I've made, I think I'm qualified to say they are more than fair, all of the time.

Thanks, Freak, and Go Vols.
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Okay, BPV...misread your post, and missed the mark by a mile.

No surprise there, right?

The Coaching Staff...got it.

Good post.

Go Vols.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Was strong, but the orange loony crowd has gotten ridiculous and much of it is unfounded. I'm now a Dooley fan, but the support can't be historically supported so shouting down is the answer.
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If someone has formed an opinion as to Dooley's ultimate success or failure at Tennessee at this point, they deserve to be shouted down. We now have two moronic sides: 1) those who insist that Derek Dooley who will bring tons of championships and 2) those who insist that it's beyond the realm of possibility that Dooley do anything but fail miserably. Both sides are equally stupid and people arguing either side ought to be ridiculed. He's the coach and he deserves our support while he's given a fair chance to succeed. I think you, like me and most everyone else, are willing to give him that.
 
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