So TN could win out and not make a BCS game???

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Am I wrong here?

TN wins out.
FL loses SEC Championship game.

SEC champion gets automatic bid.

Does the "at-large" bid go to the higher ranked team between TN and FL or does the bowl have the discretion to pick its "favorite" team?

I know that there is a rule that all three would not be able to get in to the BCS. I'm just wondering how the 2nd SEC team would be picked.

Either way, one team gets incredibly screwed. FL because they beat y'all and had to play the extra game; TN because they would probably be ranked higher at this point in the season.

Thoughts?
 
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RoseBowlChamps said:
Am I wrong here?

TN wins out.
FL loses SEC Championship game.

SEC champion gets automatic bid.

Does the "at-large" bid go to the higher ranked team between TN and FL or does the bowl have the discretion to pick its "favorite" team?

I know that there is a rule that all three would not be able to get in to the BCS. I'm just wondering how the 2nd SEC team would be picked.

Either way, one team gets incredibly screwed. FL because they beat y'all and had to play the extra game; TN because they would probably be ranked higher at this point in the season.

Thoughts?
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Nightmare scenario.
 
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If UT goes 11-1 I think they can get an at-large big for a BCS bowl.

Michigan/OSU, CAL/USC, Louisville/VT, Texas/Nebraska, still have to be played. A couple of teams ranked ahead of them will most likely lose.

UT should be top 5 at the end of the season.
 
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I'm pretty sure both would get in. Their is 4 at large bowls. In your scenario, I'd guess that UT, UF, loser of OSU/UM, lose of WVU/UL, ND, and USC(if they lose to Cal) would be fighting for those 4 spots. They won't take a 1 loss WVU or UL team over UF or UT nor a 2 loss ND team. UF, UT, loser of OSU/UM and USC would get those 4. UT would be in the top 5 of the BCS by then(7th right now behind OSU, USC, UF, UM, UL, and ND). They would jump over ND, USC, and the loser of OSU/UM(possibly UL if they lose to WVU). We would be in 3rd or 4th in the BCS, then add a UF loss and we are looking at 2nd or 3rd in the BCS, depending on if UL loses and if WVU doesn't jump us(same with Texas). UF wouldn't drop out of the top 5 with a SECCG loss either, probably 4th behind winner of OSU/UM, UT, and maybe the winner of WVU/UL.
 
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Yes. It is a rule. Hence the nightmare scenario described above. It's going to suck ALOT for either team if they are not included in the BCS and a two or three-loss team gets an at-large in their place.

I know there are all sorts of scenarios that can and will happen by the end of the season; however, I can easily see TN winning out and FL winning out and losing the SEC Championship game. It's not too far-fetched which is why I brought it up in the first place.

It would be just about as bad a deal as having an undefeated Big East team in the Championship game.
 
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Crash Course On The BCS:

The teams are divided into four groups: automatic qualifying (AQ) conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Big East, Pac Ten, SEC), non-automatic qualifying conferences (C-USA, MAC, Mtn West, Sun Belt, WAC), Notre Dame, and other independents.

There are 10 spots in five BCS Games. The four bowls and the National Championship Game.

The top two teams in the rankings are placed into the Championship Game.

The other spots are filled like this:

1. AQ conference champions, regardless of ranking.

2. The highest-rated champion of a non-AQ conference if it either ranks in the top 12 or is ranked in the top 16 and also ranked ahead of one of the champions of an AQ conference.

3. Notre Dame, if it finishes in the top eight of the BCS.

4. The #3 team, if it is a member of an AQ conference and there is still an open spot.

5. The #4 team, if it is a member of an AQ conference and there is still an open spot.

So, in most cases, the top 4 of the BCS is guarenteed a spot, as long as 1-2 and 1-3 doesn't have two other conference teams from the same BCS conference.

Tennessee should be 7th in this week's BCS if there are no major upsets. If that's true, and they win out, they should be 4th after the Championship Games if all the higher rated teams win, and thus, Tennessee should be guarenteed a spot.
 
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As a Texas fan, I would be embarassed if we lost in the Big 12 Championship game and got an at-large over TN or FL. It could happen...
 
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If Florida loses the SEC CG, Tennessee moves into the top 3 or 4 and gets the guarenteed spot. Florida would miss out because of the other two teams being in, but it wouldn't be as big a deal that Tennessee made it in, as it would be that a much lower ranked Western Opponent (Arkansas or 2 loss LSU), would make it in ahead of them.
 
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Thats the beauty of the BCS. Lower ranked teams from weaker teams get bids over higher ranked teams in stronger conferences.
 
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I'm not so sure about TN moving in to the Top 4 if they win out. If the following teams win out, this is where they'll be.

Ohio St. at 1
USC at 2
West Virginia at 3
Texas at 4

If TN is ranked 6th and FL 2nd going in to the SEC Championship game, would FL drop below them if they lose? I'm not so sure. At this point, the computers would kick in and (I think) FL might get a bump on strength of schedule.
 
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Ummmm....Texas is behind the Vols.

They wouldnt jump an 11-1 Tennessee team I don't think.

You're being a little gracious to your home team.
 
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RoseBowlChamps said:
I'm not so sure about TN moving in to the Top 4 if they win out. If the following teams win out, this is where they'll be.

Ohio St. at 1
USC at 2
West Virginia at 3
Texas at 4
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West Virginia needs lose to Louisville, Texas needs to lose to Nebraska or look very bad. USC losing to CAL would help. A lot of people think USC will lose:

Since opening the season with impressive wins over Arkansas (50-14) and Nebraska (28-10), both of whom are currently ranked in the Top 25, USC has been less than impressive in victories over Pac-10 foes Arizona (20-3), Washington State (28-22) and Washington (26-20). In each of the last two contests, the Trojans' opponent had the ball in the final seconds with a chance to win. And in the Washington game, USC's offense scored only one touchdown for the first time since Pete Carroll's first season in 2001.
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SI.com - Writers - Stewart Mandel: What's wrong with USC? - Thursday October 12, 2006 3:47PM
 
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Although, in the BCS version, by the end of the year, it's going to be really close. I think TX would be ahead in the human polls and TN might have an edge with the computers because of strength of schedule.
 
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Tennessee doesn't need to jump Texas.

Tennessee is already ahead of Texas in the BCS.

I will say however that the Memphis, Marshall, and Georgia losses today will probably be enough for the Vols to slip back to 8th or 9th when it comes out tomorrow.
 
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Yeah, but y'all still have Arkansas and LSU. Those two are much better than anytthing TX still has on its schedule. Strength of schedule will NOT be a problem for TN. It will be one for TX.
 
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SOS isn't a component in the BCS.

It is in some of the computers, but not a HUGE factor.

Just gotta win games at this point, and the rest will take care of itself.

I don't see Tennessee playing Texas at all.

The SEC Champ will play in the Sugar unless Florida goes undefeated and makes the Title game. The opponent there would be the Big East Champ more than likely.

IF not that bowl, Tennessee probably makes the Orange Bowl and plays the ACC Champ.

Texas will be most likely in the Fiesta if they make a BCS game.
 
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