So...the HEAT is already on New UF Coach Jim McElwain

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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I like your points but quality depth is not your friend and to win in the SEC, it's a requirement. Trust me, we haven't had it till this year and we still have depth opportunities at OL, RB and TE.

Flinging bodies is not the answer to winning. Red shirting 4*'s is.
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Whoa whoa whoa. I didn't say ANYTHING about winning the SEC. LOL. Florida is NOT winning the SEC this year.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
If you don't want to be called a homer, don't:

  1. Invent improvement based on questions,
  2. Negate improvement at UT,
  3. Reference luck and superstition based on past games.

Hands down, UT looks like the better team this year.
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I didn't do any of those things in my post.

1. UF will be better at WR than last year. UF will be better at TE than last year. See? UF has 15 bodies instead of 7 on the OL. Big improvement over spring. Thurman is healthy. Kelvin Taylor and Jordan Scarlett are healthy and look good. Statements.

2. QB play will be better than last year. Statement.

3. When did I say anything about luck? Edit - Oh i see, about UT's horrible string of luck in games vs. UF. OK. Fair enough. That's not really being a homer - I mean, UT has been unlucky as hell against UF for years now. I mean, would anyone really argue that lol. But OK you can strike it from the record I guess. Luck changes.

4. When did I negate UT improvement? UT should be better than last year. Despite what some of you may think, Florida might actually be better too. I don't know if you noticed, but they sucked last year.
 
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Florida won't be as bad as some of you think they will, but I don't see them being very good either.

Regardless of what team you're a fan of no one in their right mind would take Florida's situation and roster over UT's right now.
 
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chatavol said:
Florida won't be as bad as some of you think they will, but I don't see them being very good either.

Regardless of what team you're a fan of no one in their right mind would take Florida's situation and roster over UT's right now.
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I don't know, UT's roster hasn't proven anything really, so... I don't actually know yet if I'd want that over what UF is going to put on the field.

Ask me again in December and yes, I may agree with you.

I think so much about UF is an unknown because the previous coaching staff was so bad on offense.
 
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#108
It's so funny Vol fans calling me a homer in this thread LOFL.

Just like you shouldn't buy into the hype being built up by magazines and journalists everywhere about UT, you shouldn't believe the doom and gloom hype being written about UF either.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle for both.

UF does have some bright spots: Jake McGee and DeAndre Goolsby are going to be good targets at TE, something UF didn't have last year (because McGee was injured and Goolsby didn't play much at that point), which cost them at least 2 games (LSU and FSU)

Demarcus Robinson, even with the ridiculously bad Driskel playing QB last year, was top 5 in every major statistical category for a WR in the SEC last year, and should only be better this year with even marginally better QB play (which is almost guaranteed) and more weapons around him.

Brandon Powell emerged late last year as a legit slot threat, and now the new coaching staff has moved him there full time. UF hasn't had a threat in the slot in years, so it can only help the passing game.

Kelvin Taylor and Jordan Scarlett, the two projected starters at RB all off season, are both healthy and looking good.

The OL which had 7 healthy bodies in the spring now has 15.

So yeah, UF has some questions, but dang, the situation on offense looks a lot better than last year.

And as it relates to UT:

With Driskel and co. basically handing UT the game for 3 quarters, UF scored 10 points in 1 quarter with Treon Harris playing his FIRST game at QB last year, and he didn't even complete ONE PASS to a WR. Florida only had 76 yards passing and 3 INT in that abortion against UT.

UF only averaged 3.3 yards per carry.

And they still found a way to beat Tennessee.

I find it hard to believe, with a new coach and with a better offensive system, that UF can't cobble together more than 232 total yards and 10 points against UT this year, in the swamp, where UT has had some horrible games and horrible luck in recent years.
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AFL2008 said:
I didn't do any of those things in my post.

1. UF will be better at WR than last year. UF will be better at TE than last year. See? UF has 15 bodies instead of 7 on the OL. Big improvement over spring. Thurman is healthy. Kelvin Taylor and Jordan Scarlett are healthy and look good. Statements.

2. QB play will be better than last year. Statement.

3. When did I say anything about luck? Edit - Oh i see, about UT's horrible string of luck in games vs. UF. OK. Fair enough. That's not really being a homer - I mean, UT has been unlucky as hell against UF for years now. I mean, would anyone really argue that lol. But OK you can strike it from the record I guess. Luck changes.

4. When did I negate UT improvement? UT should be better than last year. Despite what some of you may think, Florida might actually be better too. I don't know if you noticed, but they sucked last year.
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Dude, you basically listed improvement by attrition, some of the same players from the abortion that was last year, and warm, unproven bodies, as improvement. Then you inferred that a slight UF improvement from last year's UF/UT game would beat UT (i.e. ignoring any UT improvement). That same inference referenced some superstitious history about UT playing in the swamp, and specifically mentioned 'luck'.

What in the heck did you expect us to take from that post?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Dude, you basically listed improvement by attrition, some of the same players from the abortion that was last year, and warm, unproven bodies, as improvement. Then you inferred that a slight UF improvement from last year's UF/UT game would beat UT (i.e. ignoring any UT improvement). That same inference referenced some superstitious history about UT playing in the swamp, and specifically mentioned 'luck'.

What in the heck did you expect us to take from that post?
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I don't think the UF Oline will be better than last year, just not as bad as 2014 UT, which isn't too hard, because that was (like I said) historical ineptitude.

And then I listed a bunch of proven guys like DRob, Powell, and McGee on offense.

And I don't see why UF can't be optimistic about QB. If you look at Treon's stats last year they were just about the same as Dobbs, just on less opportunities.

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Josh Dobbs - 112-177 (63.3%), 1206 yards, 9 TD, 6 INT, 12 sacks
Rushing - 92 carries, 551 yards, (5.98 YPC), 8 TD, 4 fumbles, 2 lost

Treon Harris - 55-111 (49.5%), 1019 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 7 sacks,
Rushing - 68 carries, 364 yards, (5.35 YPC), 3 TD, 5 fumbles 3 lost

And Treon might not even win the starting job. Grier is probably going to beat him. So I just don't see why UF fans, with better coaching, better pass catchers, and improved QB play, can't be better offensively?
 
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AFL2008 said:
I don't think the UF Oline will be better than last year, just not as bad as 2014 UT, which isn't too hard, because that was (like I said) historical ineptitude.

And then I listed a bunch of proven guys like DRob, Powell, and McGee on offense.

And I don't see why UF can't be optimistic about QB. If you look at Treon's stats last year they were just about the same as Dobbs, just on less opportunities.

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Josh Dobbs - 112-177 (63.3%), 1206 yards, 9 TD, 6 INT, 12 sacks
Rushing - 92 carries, 551 yards, (5.98 YPC), 8 TD, 4 fumbles, 2 lost

Treon Harris - 55-111 (49.5%), 1019 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 7 sacks,
Rushing - 68 carries, 364 yards, (5.35 YPC), 3 TD, 5 fumbles 3 lost

And Treon might not even win the starting job. Grier is probably going to beat him. So I just don't see why UF fans, with better coaching, better pass catchers, and improved QB play, can't be better offensively?
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Aaannddd...If UF can do just a little better than last year's UF/UT offensive performance, that all it should take for the victory.


Give me a break.
 
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chatavol said:
Florida won't be as bad as some of you think they will, but I don't see them being very good either.

Regardless of what team you're a fan of no one in their right mind would take Florida's situation and roster over UT's right now.
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Spoken like a rival. QB and DE are the only positions I would take over what UF is running out there.
 
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HialeahGator said:
Lol

Both fan bases should try to wipe last yrs game from their mind.
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I wish it were that simple, lol.

Listen, guys... I was ready to a but guarantee a UT win until our OL injury. That's a big deal that makes me take a 'wait and see'.

But I will say this--all 'in their head', historic, superstition, aside... I think UT has a top-to-bottom better team that UF this year. I think the only position UT isn't superior is OL, and I'd put them at about even there.

I also think the team will play with heart and drive for Butch.

And I know UF will be learning all new schemes on both sides of the ball. That's nothing to sniff at. :)
 
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#119
I think Florida wins this year something like 17-16. Next year(TM) we should have a good shot to finally break the streak though.
 
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AFL2008 said:
I don't think the UF Oline will be better than last year, just not as bad as 2014 UT, which isn't too hard, because that was (like I said) historical ineptitude.

And then I listed a bunch of proven guys like DRob, Powell, and McGee on offense.

And I don't see why UF can't be optimistic about QB. If you look at Treon's stats last year they were just about the same as Dobbs, just on less opportunities.

Pulled from another site:

Josh Dobbs - 112-177 (63.3%), 1206 yards, 9 TD, 6 INT, 12 sacks
Rushing - 92 carries, 551 yards, (5.98 YPC), 8 TD, 4 fumbles, 2 lost

Treon Harris - 55-111 (49.5%), 1019 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 7 sacks,
Rushing - 68 carries, 364 yards, (5.35 YPC), 3 TD, 5 fumbles 3 lost

And Treon might not even win the starting job. Grier is probably going to beat him. So I just don't see why UF fans, with better coaching, better pass catchers, and improved QB play, can't be better offensively?
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In 7 starts Treon averaged 165 yards of offense and was responsible for 10 total touchdowns.

In 5 starts Joshua Dobbs averaged 282 yards of offense and was responsible for 15 touchdowns.

Dobbs also completed 93-145 or 64% in his starts vs 51-105 or 48% for Treon.

Treon was also working behind a much better OL.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
In 7 starts Treon averaged 165 yards of offense and was responsible for 10 total touchdowns.

In 5 starts Joshua Dobbs averaged 282 yards of offense and was responsible for 15 touchdowns.

Dobbs also completed 93-145 or 64% in his starts vs 51-105 or 48% for Treon.

Treon was also working behind a much better OL.
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much much better
 
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AFL2008 said:
I can pretty much guarantee that UF won't be as bad as UT was last year on the OL. That was historical levels of ineptness. I mean, if experience is the only thing that is important, UF can always run out a bunch of "experienced" walk ons that have been on the team forever. I doubt that would be a good idea though.

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