So, our first choice(s) have said no

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The media throws things against the wall all the time to see if it sticks. There is no integrity in news and journalism today especially when it relates to ESPN. White may have never received an offer.
 
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Why does everyone, without question, keep bringing up the Butch Jones hire and saying "maybe it will work out like that," as if that hire has somehow been proven an unqualified success?

Last I checked, Butch Jones went 5-7, lost at home to Vanderbilt, and fielded one of the most inept defenses and passing offenses in UT history.

I agree that there is reason to have hope for the future with that hire, particularly since they recruited so well this past year, but it's hardly a sure thing. Most coaches who post a losing season their first year at a major program don't work out in the long run. I really don't understand why it has been determined by everyone that Jones will.
 
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oregonvol said:
Why does everyone, without question, keep bringing up the Butch Jones hire and saying "maybe it will work out like that," as if that hire has somehow been proven an unqualified success?

Last I checked, Butch Jones went 5-7, lost at home to Vanderbilt, and fielded one of the most inept defenses and passing offenses in UT history.

I agree that there is reason to have hope for the future with that hire, particularly since they recruited so well this past year, but it's hardly a sure thing. Most coaches who post a losing season their first year at a major program don't work out in the long run. I really don't understand why it has been determined by everyone that Jones will.
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They jump the gun.. Always have. Remember when Dooley was going to work out also.. I like Jones so far. He's not proven squat though. He's going to get 4 years either way. Hope it works out. I don't like the way these people make hires. It's like they want to find that diamond in the rough to say i told you so. Well so far they've sucked at that..
 
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Apparently coaches have been reading VN. Hart's gonna have to cough up a minimum of $2.5M to land a coach. :crazy: Maybe we need to hire some new hire-ers. :question:
 
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Smokey 77 said:
It's meant to be-hire Rick Byrd. He's a great coach and he's a Tennessee man. I want a coach that wants to be the coach at Tennessee! He will still be winning big games for us in 2020. It makes since. Hire Rick Byrd!
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"sense", for crying out loud.
 
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oregonvol said:
Why does everyone, without question, keep bringing up the Butch Jones hire and saying "maybe it will work out like that," as if that hire has somehow been proven an unqualified success?

Last I checked, Butch Jones went 5-7, lost at home to Vanderbilt, and fielded one of the most inept defenses and passing offenses in UT history.

I agree that there is reason to have hope for the future with that hire, particularly since they recruited so well this past year, but it's hardly a sure thing. Most coaches who post a losing season their first year at a major program don't work out in the long run. I really don't understand why it has been determined by everyone that Jones will.
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That is the difference between a coach who can promote his program and one who can't. Coach Martin could not / would not sell his program to the fans so there was no sense that he had us going in the right direction. Coach Jones on the other hand had a 5-7 season and a good recruiting class and everyone thinks he is great.
Maybe Butch Jones will turn out great but it is way too early to say it was a home run hire by Hart.
 
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Cartervol said:
They jump the gun.. Always have. Remember when Dooley was going to work out also.. I like Jones so far. He's not proven squat though. He's going to get 4 years either way. Hope it works out. I don't like the way these people make hires. It's like they want to find that diamond in the rough to say i told you so. Well so far they've sucked at that..
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I remember very vividly the threads of "We got the right man for the hire". Stories of him meeting with people, Saban giving his blessing, people saying freakin' Alabama and Georgia fans telling them Dooley was the man. The infamous "Wants it" crap.

Having said all that, Jones has done way more than Dooley on the recruiting front, and has been a much better ambassador and salesman for the program. Plus he's not a jerk. But yes, you cannot call him a home run hire just yet.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I remember very vividly the threads of "We got the right man for the hire". Stories of him meeting with people, Saban giving his blessing, people saying freakin' Alabama and Georgia fans telling them Dooley was the man. The infamous "Wants it" crap.

Having said all that, Jones has done way more than Dooley on the recruiting front, and has been a much better ambassador and salesman for the program. Plus he's not a jerk. But yes, you cannot call him a home run hire just yet.
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No you can't. Football was so far in the toilet anyone following Kifturd was going to have a hard time. Even Kiffin had a hard time because Fulmer quite recruiting and starting taking anything he could get. Only problem is he was a mediocre coach to begin with and this is the SEC. Had we had a competent AD at the time, Fulmer would have been fired when he needed to be fired in 2005...Stalling on canning Fulmer set this program back light years. The contract gaffs made it even worse. Hamilton was a terrible AD and Jimmy Cheek should have been fired a long time ago also..
 
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Cartervol said:
They jump the gun.. Always have. Remember when Dooley was going to work out also.. I like Jones so far. He's not proven squat though. He's going to get 4 years either way. Hope it works out. I don't like the way these people make hires. It's like they want to find that diamond in the rough to say i told you so. Well so far they've sucked at that..
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Oh yeah. Really, right after the press conference, the majority of people here were convinced Dooley was the guy, without a shred of evidence to suggest so (and plenty of evidence to the contrary).

I think that fact in and of itself shows us why these people make the hires they do. There is little accountability. No matter who Hart hires, the majority of people here will be touting him as the greatest thing ever the moment he smiles at his press conference. And then they'll preach patience until his 3rd season, no matter what he does. Why would an AD spend alot of money or go after a big name when he has customers like that?
 
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99probsbutchaint1 said:
I think a 61 year old starting at a new (SEC) school would have a hard time recruiting when 90% of potential recruits are going to ask "What and where is Belmont?"
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Exactly. There's no question that what he's done in transitioning Belmont from NAIA to an NCAA Tournament team occasionally knocking off an elite power early in the season is incredible. Unfortunately, that's not going to endear yourself to SEC-quality athletes outside of the state. He's going to be at a disadvantage recruiting for a school that's a titan in its own mind more so than the minds of high school students.
 
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jknox33 said:
Heard that CCM's new contract would have put him at like 9th in the SEC. Heard on the radio that we want top 1-3 results in the SEC but pay like 7-9th in the league. That's just who we are as an institution and we, as fans, expect top results.
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I've been saying the same thing for the last 6 months. The expectations don't meet the commitment our AD has.
 
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