So I'm reading all this...

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And plus, its the game of football, a TEAM game. Coaches want you to have your teammates back, even when you can get hurt yourself on the football field, if someone is about to get knocked out by a hit, you try to block that person. Some people get that since of comradery In life as well.
Just a since of what might have made it happen from a 16 year olds perspective
 
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Yes, post of the week,( and thank you mods, I didn't mean to post it up again but it needed to be deleted)
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#29
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I hope that Lott can contact or continue to bring in some of these former players, like Arian, to help develop his character building program. Having someone to relay this information and experience to them would be extremely beneficial.
 
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True enough, but in this case, it went a bit beyond a typical bar fight and worse...an off duty cop was injured. Circumstances may make this one a bit more painful than immature college kids getting rowdy with one another. As you pointed out, not the first and most certainly won't be the last. Still hard to swallow for some.

I don't necessarily think an 18 year being young and dumb is NOT part of his raising. When he's fixing to climb in that car full of guys or walk into that liquor store and something just doesn't feel quiet right, he should let his proper raising (if he had it) take over. The thought has to be there of who am I going to disappointment with my actions. If he has it, chance are he was raised right. If it doesn't enter his mind, he didn't get it.

I agree. I was an athlete and I can totally understand sticking up for your friends. The big difference is how you stick up. Are you trying to pull your friends away and put a stop to it or are you punching and kicking some guy on the floor along with 5 or 6 other guys. One way I agree with you the other I want you kicked out of school.
 
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I agree with the others- I would love for Arian to come back and tell his story to our team. Might give some of them a good perspective and give them a role model they can relate to.
 
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Fostermom, I always appreciate your input....both as a Vol fan and as a mother. Your insights are well-spoken -- many of us lacked the foresight at the age of 18-21 that we now appreciate. It is very unfortunate that we can't do more to encourage kids to avoid putting themselves in situations which often lead to altercations or other poor decisions. And, you are right, it isn't always the result of "poor upbringing" or a troubled childhood: I have seen many "privileged" and well-raised kids end up making ridiculously stupid mistakes, sometimes throwing away scholarships and other great chances at life.

Prayers for the injured officer and the players involved, that he will recover and that something good can come of all this nonsense. Unfortunately, it certainly won't help this football season, but in the long-term, maybe a few young men will grow into mature adults.
 
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#39
trying to decipher fact from assumption or fiction. It's a lot to go through...and I've been trying to keep up with news reports. I agree it's all an unfortunate mess.

The deal, though, is this. We will always have these incidents, sometimes with longer periods in between, but we'll have them. And so will most other major programs. It's life unfortunately.

We're always going to want our student athletes to represent us well. Some will, some will not. Sometimes it will be because of upbringing and environment but most times it'll just be because someone made poor choices in the heat of a moment. We should appreciate the ones who don't get in any trouble even more than we do. But look how much time and energy and ink is ever spent on that.

Most of you know that my son was involved in a similar incident when he was here, though there were no major injuries. His choices, as he will now tell you, had nothing to do with how he was raised. He was young and dumb. He was drinking before he was legally old enough and he got into a mess that got him arrested, suspended and embarrassed himself and his team and program.

We were talking about all this last night and he has totally changed his stand. In college, he was prepared to protect his teammates, even to the point of being arrested himself. Now, he says he wouldn't do that. He has too much to lose and he tells everyone, including his own brother, that if they go to a club and something goes down, he will not participate. He'll leave before he throws away his career on some nonsense. His future matters more to him than what any friend thinks of him now. Back then, he admits he wasn't mature enough to grasp that. As surprised as I was to hear that, I was relieved. And the only difference is that he's matured enough to understand the permanency of consequences. He could've thrown his future away in college with the thinking he had then, but he isn't willing to do it now because he's smarter.

Most young people live by a code of conduct that many grown folks don't understand. And that is, if one of my friends gets confronted, we'll all go down before we let him get hit. It isn't smart but it's how it is.

Anyway, I think all this is disturbing...the level to which it has turned out. I hope that the ones who wind up in permanent trouble over this learn their lessons. And I hope the ones watching it do as well.

All of us need some football.

The truth and nothing but the truth....
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Not gonna lie FMom, I got chill bumps reading your post. I think you hit the nail on the head. Great to hear that Arian "gets it". Hope he gets a chance in the fall, love to see him be the feature back. In all seriousness, is it a possibility that Arian could reach out to DD/Lott and speak to these guys a couple times? Or maybe even email/txt/phone some "trouble" guys and five them a first hand account of the landscape they face? Might help coming from a guy 2-3 yrs removed from a similar situation and now in the league. Just a thought.
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+1
 
#41
#41
Anyway, I think all this is disturbing...the level to which it has turned out. I hope that the ones who wind up in permanent trouble over this learn their lessons. And I hope the ones watching it do as well.

All of us need some football.

Its called maturation FM. Takes some longer than others.

Hell I was near 25 when I figured out mom and dad werent so damned dumb.
 
#43
#43
I worked with emotionally disturbed adolescents years ago in this age range. I don't buy the young and dumb theory when it comes to someone being punched hard enough to knock them out. I recall a guy sucker punching a young lady therapist in the mouth because he was mean as H, not young and dumb. I hope someone gets locked up for a long time over this, maybe more than one person.
 
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#44
Thanks for your post, Fostermom. I wish more players' (current and former) parents would post here as you do.

You always make these stories far more human.

All the best to Arian!
 
#45
#45
Thanks for your post, Fostermom. I wish more players' (current and former) parents would post here as you do.

You always make these stories far more human.

All the best to Arian!

Great point. Its far different to hear things from her perspective. Class act fostermom is.
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#46
#46
fostermom, thank you for the post, and it cannot be said enough that your participation and insight is welcome and appreciated around these parts.

Again, thank you.
 

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