So Glad Muschamp Turned Down TN

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#126
VegasVol said:
1. Your point #2 undermines your point #1. Having a losing record over a season-and-a-half and having an arbitrator say Al Davis is more honorable than you are speaks volumes about Kiffin.
2. Kiffin's recruiting at UT does speak for itself -- a 2009 class littered with busts, and a 2010 class that never was a top-5 class and never became a top-5 class. It would have simply added busts like Ambles instead of Hunter, Stanley instead of Jackson, Copeland instead of Stone, etc.
3. That staff wasn't even close to the best in the country -- only delusional UT fans would claim as much. Many of those same "great" staff members gave USC 5 losses this season after going win-less against top-20 foes for Tennessee in 2009.
4. Newsflash -- Saban was a proven successful coordinator and proven successful head coach when hired; not a proven failure like Kiffin. Same with Meyer. comparing them to Kiffin is laughable.
5. Muschamp doesn't have proven successful HC experience, but he wasn't a failure like Kiffin. What Muschamp offered to make up for his lack of proven HC success was proven coordinating skill over a long time period at the BCS and elite level, proven recruiting skill over a long time including the entire south, proven connections to and experience in the SEC, and no history of controversy, failure, and firing like Kiffin.
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The 2010 class would've been top 5. The only reason I brought up Saban and Meyer was to illustrate that you don't need "SEC ties" to do well in the SEC. I'm not saying Kiffin is a good coach. It's still largely unknown. But the guy can clearly recruit and hires plenty of guys who can recruit and coach (Orgeron, Gran, Thompson, etc.). It's not a giant leap to say that it was one of the best staffs when you have arguably the best RB and DL coaches in the college game, two great offensive minds, and one of the best defensive minds of all time. We'll just agree to disagree.
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#128
#128
VolsRule said:
You're right--he's not.
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He's an unknown in terms of X's and O's. He's really solid in recruiting and hiring decisions. He's got 2/3 of being a HC down. He may or may not ever get that other 1/3 down, but Hamilton took a shot on him, and I don't blame him one bit for that. The only thing I blame Hamilton for was giving Fulmer that bogus contract extension.
 
#129
#129
Volfan8282 said:
Tell me again how Kiffin was a bad hire at the time of the hire? He was only a poor choice b/c he left a year into the job due to a job opening that no AD could have foreseen. Hamilton couldn't help that.
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Back to the original question, if Kiffin was a good hire or not. All X's and O's, experience, mental fortitude, etc., aside, I felt at the time that it was a terrible hire. And I still feel it was a terrible hire.

Kiffin had two paths at UT:
1. He's successful: Great, we win games. Bad, he goes back west to USC or somebody else that gets his wifey back on the west coast. So, I said he would be here 3 years max if that goes accordingly. And, it did.

OR

2. He loses and we buy out the remainder of his contract.


That's why it was a terrible hire.
 
#130
#130
Our last coach was neither a great or a terrible hire. In the long run, tho, I will go with the fact that by MH going through the "situation" that hire created, he hired someone the exact opposite on his second try, which I believe we are all hoping turns out to be what we really needed at TN.
 
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#134
Gatorules said:
Based on what season? WM hasn't coached a game yet.
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I am talking about this season. I realize WM wasn't the head coach but we are talking about a very serious topic of who looks better in front of a camera so why would you let the facts get in the way.
 
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#135
hohenfelsvol said:
I am talking about this season. I realize WM wasn't the head coach but we are talking about a very serious topic of who looks better in front of a camera so why would you let the facts get in the way.
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"Very serious topic"...lol. Again I ask, how many wins do you get because your coach "looks better in front of a camera"? That's just crazy. I understand WM can be challenged because of lack of experience and such, but are ya'll really going to the, "our coach looks better in front of a camera" angle?
 
#136
#136
Gatorules said:
"Very serious topic"...lol. Again I ask, how many wins do you get because your coach "looks better in front of a camera"? That's just crazy. I understand WM can be challenged because of lack of experience and such, but are ya'll really going to the, "our coach looks better in front of a camera" angle?
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your coach sleeps naked with jimbo fisher in their beach house
 
#138
#138
Volfan8282 said:
Just bc Dooley has been a HC for more years than Muschamp doesn't make him a proven HC. There's no way that I would tab Dooley as a HC that has proven anything as of now. And, like I said, if you're going on resumes as of today, Muschamp is the obvious pick between the 2. You've got one side of the ball on lockdown immediately. Muschamp's ultimate success will depend on the OC.
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When?
 
#139
#139
Gatorules said:
"Very serious topic"...lol. Again I ask, how many wins do you get because your coach "looks better in front of a camera"? That's just crazy. I understand WM can be challenged because of lack of experience and such, but are ya'll really going to the, "our coach looks better in front of a camera" angle?
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Please turn on sarcasm meter because it seems to be broke. And once again, our coach's hair puts yours to shame. Urban had a good dew but Muschamp is a mess. So, we win.
 
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#141
OK, i am bumping this thread because of some of the things we're hearing about Muschamp. I am here to tell you that Florida is in a heap of trouble. When I say he didn't win me over in his press conference, I was serious. It means a lot when somebody has their act together. I mean, i am not an expert, but man, anybody knows that you need to get in front of that audience and win them over. He flat out flunked.
Now, hearing Brent Hubbs on sportstalk this pm, saying that they are not hearing much of anything from Florida on the recruiting trail. That's a scary thought. All they have to do is walk out the back door and there should be plenty of activity!

If he's having trouble assembling his staff and getting their act together, I don't care how loud he yells, he won't be able to field a great team on Saturday either. I mean, look at the players from Florida and where they are going!

Derrick Dooley laced it up way later than Mushamp and got the ball rolling fast on the recruiting trail last year. So, it's doable to get moving fast.

I don't know, but i smell something pretty bad going on at FLorida. This could be bad for them. Can't say as i hate it though.
 
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#145
PennVol said:
what specific things are you "hearing"?
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Let's start with hiring a Pro Set OC after 20 (very successful) years running the Spread.

Then, how about only 15 committed recruits as of January 27?

Finally, FSU and Miami are back after 6-7 years off. UMeyer knew this.
 
#146
#146
WiseOlVol said:
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Let's start with hiring a Pro Set OC after 20 (very successful) years running the Spread.

Then, how about only 15 committed recruits as of January 27?

Finally, FSU and Miami are back after 6-7 years off. UMeyer knew this.
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Some say UF has many that are silent until NSD, but that's just rumor.

FSU is on the way up. Closed with a good season
(made a statement by thumping UF) and is on the verge of having a top recruiting class for this year.

Miami is still questionable at this point.
 
#150
#150
miamicane said:
golden will own muschamp in recruiting...run and tell that
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