So doing the math...

#51
#51
TNnative said:
Sadly, there is a rule against that, thanks to Bear Bryant. However, that may not pertain to academic scholarships. I guess we will learn how this whole thing words soon enough.

Personally, I think the 25 yearly limit is dumb. It isn't a NCAA rule, it is a SEC rule. All it seems to accomplish is to keep the weaker teams in the SEC from getting more competitive quickly. Just my two cents worth on that.
Click to expand...

Actually the NCAA recently adopted basically the same rule using the language in the SEC rule.
 
#53
#53
OddFuture said:
I doubt it
Click to expand...



I see both Barnett & Hendrix flipping. They have probably silently committed to another school but will lead us on until NSD.


Like we did to Florida with Nu Keese or like the JUCO kid did to us a few weeks ago, when he was a silent committment to Auburn, with us finding out on NSD.
 
#55
#55
TnTech_Vol said:
Here's the equation on how many you can sign.

article-0-1A89BF2B000005DC-422_634x435.jpg
Click to expand...

Think you forgot to carry the 2.
 
#57
#57
Im glad y'all are good at math. lol. I just hope we draft some graet players and they all don't go pro too early. At least for 2 years, ykwim?
 
#58
#58
Rudy123 said:
I see both Barnett & Hendrix flipping. They have probably silently committed to another school but will lead us on until NSD.


Like we did to Florida with Nu Keese or like the JUCO kid did to us a few weeks ago, when he was a silent committment to Auburn, with us finding out on NSD.
Click to expand...

I don't agree on Hendrix
 
#59
#59
Rudy123 said:
I see both Barnett & Hendrix flipping. They have probably silently committed to another school but will lead us on until NSD.


Like we did to Florida with Nu Keese or like the JUCO kid did to us a few weeks ago, when he was a silent committment to Auburn, with us finding out on NSD.
Click to expand...

Pay attention people. This is how going out on a limb is done.
 
#60
#60
volinSmyrna said:
Ok, so what is correct? How many did we backcount last year vs how many did we sign?
Click to expand...

Simple answer you are correct we signed 20 and can only backcount 5 - all the sources agree and no public expert has been able to explain how we are signing over 30.

The Math questions is an excellent question. Coach Jones clearly has a plan - but he is clearly going for a loop hole as
"NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.1 limits FBS football programs to a total number of scholarships to 85 "counters" annually including 25 scholarships for "initial counters."
So the speculation is how are we, not if we are bending the rules? And can we actually get away with it?

I think it is all in the details:
"Bylaw 13.9.2.3 limits schools to signing 28 NLI from initial signing day through May 31". We will be well below - because we got so many EE in the door. Even though we can only back count 5 - I think it will all revolve around how Coach Jones is using the definition of 'Initial Counters'. I have read that this is tied to the new use of signing financial aid papers - which a number of our EE did.

He is clearly pushing the boundaries - but understands that in todays coaching world - you win now or you lose your job and he is taking the big gamble. I say it is a game and we need to Go Big or Go Home - the NCAA has pushed us around time for us to give them a shove. :salute:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#61
#61
I have a question on the over thirty number. As far as the penalty for over signing goes, I was told you are penalized 2 for 1 the next signing period. NOW lets say Butch goes ahead and takes the penalty for the 2015 signing period. Do you guys think that he knows that he will face the penalty, BUT!!! the 2016 class he over signs and back counts the penalized spots because that will be after the 2015 signing period. Kind of like going into a 2 year big recruiting cycle and a 2 year small recruiting cycle...just a thought and I may be way off and that theory is impossible. But since NO-ONE and I mean NO-ONE but Jones and his staff knows, this theory is as good as any other I have heard.
 
Last edited:
#62
#62
nc vol fan said:
I have a question on the over thirty number. As far as the penalty for over signing goes, I was told you are penalized 2 for 1 the next signing period. NOW lets say Butch goes ahead and takes the penalty for the 2015 signing period. Do you guys think that he knows that he will face the penalty, BUT!!! the 2016 class he over signs and back counts the penalized spots because that will be after the 2015 signing period. Kind of like going into a 2 year big recruiting cycle and a 2 year small recruiting cycle...just a thought and I may be way off and that theory is impossible. But since NO-ONE and I mean NO-ONE but Jones and his staff knows this theory is as good as any other I ha e heard.
Click to expand...

Too risky to voluntarily lose scholarships, especially 4-6 of them. He has a plan and the numbers will work out in the end. I would lose most of my faith in his recruiting strategies if we had to voluntarily give up scholarships due to poor planning, and over-signing is poor planning.
 
#64
#64
TNnative said:
Sadly, there is a rule against that, thanks to Bear Bryant. However, that may not pertain to academic scholarships. I guess we will learn how this whole thing words soon enough.

Personally, I think the 25 yearly limit is dumb. It isn't a NCAA rule, it is a SEC rule. All it seems to accomplish is to keep the weaker teams in the SEC from getting more competitive quickly. Just my two cents worth on that.
Click to expand...

The 25 initial counters rule, an NCAA rule, is the one that Tennessee is pushing up against. It has been around for a very long time.
 
#66
#66
volinSmyrna said:
Too risky to voluntarily lose scholarships, especially 4-6 of them. He has a plan and the numbers will work out in the end. I would lose most of my faith in his recruiting strategies if we had to voluntarily give up scholarships due to poor planning, and over-signing is poor planning.
Click to expand...

It is crazy for us to act like CBJ is not taking some risk though. He might have a plan - but lets talk straight; if he has a plan it is to break at least the intent of the NCAA rules. Any recruit over 30 is UT walking on land mines. We might be able to get though it - but it is dangerous.
All this talk of us going after 2 or 3 more players is just crazy.

Now we don't know what we don't know and it is perfectly possible that one of our recruits does not make it due to grades and another goes somewhere else and we grayshirt one and we do get down to 30 - that kind of thing is perfectly normal. But all this talk of UT being able to recruit 35 players (10 more than allowed) without consequences is crazy talk.
 
#67
#67
If the strategy is to exploit loophole(s) under existing NCAA rules, I am sure that it has been fully vetted by both university and outside counsel. I'm not worried about it.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top