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allvol123 said:
@AM64
@kiddiedoc
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And anyone else I am forgetting.

My kid is 0.5 points away from getting a B instead of a C in class. I have a math problem scenario for you. Tell me I am wrong or right.

So a 20% of your entire grade is made up of let's say your quiz grades for the year.

So if you make a 80, 66.67, 60, and 75....then your average is 70.4.

That said you got those grades from making a 4 of 5, a 2 of 3, a 6 of 10, and 3 of 4. So those examples correspond to the number grades above. My kids idiot teacher wants to say my child got 15 of the possible 22 points on those quizzes and this earned a 15/22 which is a 68. Vastly different than my average above.

This moron is not comprehending this is not an average. Her method faults because of the different amount of questions on each quiz. The quizzes end up weighing differently.

Someone prove me wrong before I go off on this person.
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You should be able to get that .5 no matter how they calculate it. Ask some questions, make an appointment to go over it with teach, etc.
 
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The more I think about it, this is a huge software/teacher misunderstanding glitch. Probably effects tons of kids some for better some for worse.

They are using some Aspen software.

If you take 2 quizzes and make a 80 and a 90 then you tell everyone you have a 85 average.

But if you scored 80/100 and 9/10 then Aspen sees it as 89/110 or 80.9.

I bet none of the teachers get that your weighted category does not work as soon as you put different size assignments inside that same category.
 
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allvol123 said:
The more I think about it, this is a huge software/teacher misunderstanding glitch. Probably effects tons of kids some for better some for worse.

They are using some Aspen software.

If you take 2 quizzes and make a 80 and a 90 then you tell everyone you have a 85 average.

But if you scored 80/100 and 9/10 then Aspen sees it as 89/110 or 80.9.

I bet none of the teachers get that your weighted category does not work as soon as you put different size assignments inside that same category.
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I would make that bet too. Teachers are using terminology they poorly understand or don't understand at all.

Regardless how it turns out, we're all accomplices in the effort. Updates are needed as it plays out.
 
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allvol123 said:
@AM64
@kiddiedoc
@SpaceCoastVol
@hog88

And anyone else I am forgetting.

My kid is 0.5 points away from getting a B instead of a C in class. I have a math problem scenario for you. Tell me I am wrong or right.

So a 20% of your entire grade is made up of let's say your quiz grades for the year.

So if you make a 80, 66.67, 60, and 75....then your average is 70.4.

That said you got those grades from making a 4 of 5, a 2 of 3, a 6 of 10, and 3 of 4. So those examples correspond to the number grades above. My kids idiot teacher wants to say my child got 15 of the possible 22 points on those quizzes and this earned a 15/22 which is a 68. Vastly different than my average above.

This moron is not comprehending this is not an average. Her method faults because of the different amount of questions on each quiz. The quizzes end up weighing differently.

Someone prove me wrong before I go off on this person.
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Big dam deal. Tell your kid to study more. This isn't grad school.
 
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McDad said:
I would make that bet too. Teachers are using terminology they poorly understand or don't understand at all.

Regardless how it turns out, we're all accomplices in the effort. Updates are needed as it plays out.
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Ok. Will update. I have lost every battle so far this year. All with this one teacher.

And I'm not "that" parent. We probably have around 20 teachers total across all my kids, this is the only one I even communicate with on this level.
 
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allvol123 said:
The more I think about it, this is a huge software/teacher misunderstanding glitch. Probably effects tons of kids some for better some for worse.

They are using some Aspen software.

If you take 2 quizzes and make a 80 and a 90 then you tell everyone you have a 85 average.

But if you scored 80/100 and 9/10 then Aspen sees it as 89/110 or 80.9.

I bet none of the teachers get that your weighted category does not work as soon as you put different size assignments inside that same category.
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Actually ran this by my SIL (HS English teacher) this morning and they use Powerschool. She uses the same grading method your kid's teacher uses. She said she purposefully weighs quizzes different. She says a reading check quiz may be worth 5 or 10 points and a vocab quiz may be worth 40. But, she did indicate the students know the point value and that a 10 point quiz counts less than a 20 point one.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Actually ran this by my SIL (HS English teacher) this morning and they use Powerschool. She uses the same grading method your kid's teacher uses. She said she purposefully weighs quizzes different. She says a reading check quiz may be worth 5 or 10 points and a vocab quiz may be worth 40. But, she did indicate the students know the point value and that a 10 point quiz counts less than a 20 point one.
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If she makes that clarification then I can buy it, but dont necessarily agree with it. You're doing a weighted average inside a weighted average.

If you're going to say my class is:

Tests. 40%
Quizzes 30%
Final. 15%
Weekly work 15%

Then you shouldnt have assignments inside weekly work count differently among each other. If you want to do that then you just break it out into the overall grading system like you did above.

So now:

Classwork 3%
Homework 5%
Chapter review 7%

Now the 15% is accounted for and you have components that make up the 100% and everyone is aware.

I think back on all my learning. Took a bunch of math and math oriented classes, calculus I, II, and III. Differential equations, statics, dynamics, statistics, etc.

Never do I recall a professor determining my test average by dividing number of test questions I got correct during the semester by total number of test questions given, to get my test average.
 
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allvol123 said:
If she makes that clarification then I can buy it, but dont necessarily agree with it. You're doing a weighted average inside a weighted average.

If you're going to say my class is:

Tests. 40%
Quizzes 30%
Final. 15%
Weekly work 15%

Then you shouldnt have assignments inside weekly work count differently among each other. If you want to do that then you just break it out into the overall grading system like you did above.

So now:

Classwork 3%
Homework 5%
Chapter review 7%

Now the 15% is accounted for and you have components that make up the 100% and everyone is aware.

I think back on all my learning. Took a bunch of math and math oriented classes, calculus I, II, and III. Differential equations, statics, dynamics, statistics, etc.

Never do I recall a professor determining my test average by dividing number of test questions I got correct during the semester by total number of test questions given, to get my test average.
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First, communication is the key here. If the weighted grades are communicated, then yes, I have no issue with this methodology.

Second, teachers used normal average back in the day since they didn't have tools like Powerschool.

Third, with the weighted system, it gives teachers a chance to smooth grades. If a teacher notices quiz grades are down this grading period, a teacher could give a heavily weighted quiz grade (let's say 50 points from my example earlier) that is based just on completion in order to bump grades up.

With all this being said, I'd ask politely and if your student has worked hard and turned in stuff timely, the teacher may find a few points on a quiz somewhere.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
First, communication is the key here. If the weighted grades are communicated, then yes, I have no issue with this methodology.

Second, teachers used normal average back in the day since they didn't have tools like Powerschool.

Third, with the weighted system, it gives teachers a chance to smooth grades. If a teacher notices quiz grades are down this grading period, a teacher could give a heavily weighted quiz grade (let's say 50 points frommy example earlier) that is based just on completion in order to bump grades up.

With all this being said, I'd ask politely and if your student has worked hard and turned in stuff timely, the teacher may find a few points on a quiz somewhere.
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Yes clear communication is needed and I believe it was sorely lacking here.

And I dont believe this teacher was using any of the behavior you might suggest as their first reply back to me was "I just enter grades, the computer does the rest". I would say at that point they had never point any thought into this matter at all.
 
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allvol123 said:
Damn. And no, I think I'll ask the adult to understand their profession better.
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Just trying to help, but put it wrong.
In the scheme of things this means little. Will it keep them out of college?
When you say you are going to "go off" on the teacher it sounds pretty drastic. Maybe I don't understand "go off"?
 
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Go aeiou said:
Just trying to help, but put it wrong.
In the scheme of things this means little. Will it keep them out of college?
When you say you are going to "go off" on the teacher it sounds pretty drastic. Maybe I don't understand "go off"?
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It was hyperbole.

And I agree in the scheme of things it is meaningless. But there is a lesson inside of all this for my kid, they need to expect professionals to behave like professionals. Not all professionals do.

This thing goes back to the start of the year. This teacher gave my kid some lower grades based on turning work in late. After the second occurrence, I made my kid show me when they submitted assignments online in this class. Well, a third occurrence happened and I explained to the teacher I literally watched my child submit the assignment and viewed the screen on the computer saying it was submitted. So we ate those first 2 bad grades and at that point I am thinking they may not have legitimately deserved to have been penalized grades.

If they hadn't been penalized, again, we have our half a point. So I feel like my kid is getting a bad result here that isnt legitmate.
 
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I'm not sure of the age of the student in question, but many times, it helps if the student initiates the contact with the teacher. For example, my son was 2 points shy of an "A" this quarter in English and they had a weighted system like described above. His final grade was a project (required) plus in-class presentation (bonus). Well, the day that he was supposed to do the presentation, the school was closed due to power/water issue. Had he done well enough on the presentation, he would get the points needed to get to an A. He emailed his teacher, volunteered to do it via Zoom, and showed her the Powerpoint he had made. She gave him the points needed without actually doing the presentation.
 
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allvol123 said:
It was hyperbole.

And I agree in the scheme of things it is meaningless. But there is a lesson inside of all this for my kid, they need to expect professionals to behave like professionals. Not all professionals do.

This thing goes back to the start of the year. This teacher gave my kid some lower grades based on turning work in late. After the second occurrence, I made my kid show me when they submitted assignments online in this class. Well, a third occurrence happened and I explained to the teacher I literally watched my child submit the assignment and viewed the screen on the computer saying it was submitted. So we ate those first 2 bad grades and at that point I am thinking they may not have legitimately deserved to have been penalized grades.

If they hadn't been penalized, again, we have our half a point. So I feel like my kid is getting a bad result here that isnt legitmate.
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I hope this is all oversight on teacher's part. Right now, it sounds lazy or almost like she has an ax to grind against your kiddo. I had some teachers treat me that way in school. It sucked.
 
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Since we're on the subject of tests, I think the way school use tests are myopic. Our culture uses the test to show someone understands the subject. Tests in real life don't show up on a piece of paper. Tests in life are opportunities to make mistakes and to learn lessons and get better. I wish tests in school were the same. The test needs to have weight because there is value in retaining and understanding covered information. There is also value and looking at where you (the student) made a mistake and understanding why the mistake was made. In many ways, far greater insight and understanding is gained by knowing why the error was made in the first place. Teachers should use tests as a way to further the understanding by giving students chances to correct, explain, and show true understanding after the fact.
 
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