Skip Clueless cracks me up

#26
#26
bleedorange0037 said:
It's not fair (or accurate) for me to say I despise him as a person. He clearly does a lot of charitable work and does seem to be a pretty good guy, and deserves praise for those things. What I do despise is the way he chose to create a superteam in order to chase a title, and I truly feel that the NBA is going to be a FAR worse league in a few years because of it. If and when the All-Star Heat win a title, I imagine we'll start seeing other superstars collude to form other superteams in the big markets in order to also have a shot to compete for titles. The smaller market teams will essentially just become minor league squads for the elite players to cut their teeth in as they wait for their first contract to run out and then join one of the super teams in LA, NY, Miami or Chicago. Personally I think the league is a better place when the superstars are spread out somewhat evenly amongst several teams as opposed to all grouped together on 4-5 teams.

I realize that the Heat aren't the first team who have ever had multiple great players in one city, but it is the first time we've seen 3 guys colluding in full view of the public to join forces in free agency. If the Heat prove that a team with 3 superstars surrounded by essentially scrubs is a winning formula, sadly, I'm afraid this sort of team will become commonplace rather than a one time experiment.
Click to expand...

I'd rather have 4 or 5 great teams than 10 good ones. Remember the mid-2000's, when the Spurs, Pistons, and Heat won the title? Those were not fun days.
 
#29
#29
zjcvols said:
I'd rather have 4 or 5 great teams than 10 good ones. Remember the mid-2000's, when the Spurs, Pistons, and Heat won the title? Those were not fun days.
Click to expand...

The problem with this line of thought is that the superteams will almost certainly be located in the leagues biggest media markets. If you're a fan of the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls or possibly the Nets, Clippers or even the Kings if they move to Anaheim (due to their location, and not so much their current on-court status), you should like this idea because it's likely that a superteam is coming to your city within the next 5 years. But what's the point of having 25 other teams if the NEVER have a shot to compete for a title? If you're a Thunder fan, you'd better hope by some miracle you come back and win this series, because Durant will probably be on the first bus out of town once his rookie contract is up if he ever wants to win a ring. Do you guys honestly think 3 superstars are all going to sit down and say, "You know where we all ought to go play, Minnesota!! Or Portland, Oregon!!" Teams like that are already in a tough spot, but the rise of the superteam is going to kill their chances to compete entirely.
 
#30
#30
zjcvols said:
The Decision doesn't mean he's a bad one.

Despise (which was taken back) is a pretty hefty strong word.
Click to expand...

I still despise what I think "The Decision" is going to mold the NBA into over the next 5-10 years. It wasn't meant as a commentary on his merits as a man.
 
#31
#31
zjcvols said:
I'd rather have 4 or 5 great teams than 10 good ones. Remember the mid-2000's, when the Spurs, Pistons, and Heat won the title? Those were not fun days.
Click to expand...

I personally loved that period because teams were winning with good drafts, smart mid level signings and solid fundamental basketball.

I get what bleed orange is saying; yes, we will be seeing a handful of great teams, but the fear is that small markets will essentially be rendered useless except as a launching pad for superstars so they can go to a major market and win.

I would like to see a cap and max salary extension above and beyond what's currently in place, but specifically for players with the organization for whom they were drafted. So, to take lamarcus Aldridge here for example, if he wanted to bail to Los Angeles or wherever to form a super team and get a ring, he could but he would potentially forgo tens of millions of dollars to do so.

The only way small market teams can contend is through the draft, like okc. The way the current cba is constructed makes it ridiculously difficult to retain talent that way, while its apparently quite easy for three all nba caliber guys to get together and decide they will go win some rings.
 
#32
#32
bleedorange0037 said:
The problem with this line of thought is that the superteams will almost certainly be located in the leagues biggest media markets. If you're a fan of the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls or possibly the Nets, Clippers or even the Kings if they move to Anaheim (due to their location, and not so much their current on-court status), you should like this idea because it's likely that a superteam is coming to your city within the next 5 years. But what's the point of having 25 other teams if the NEVER have a shot to compete for a title? If you're a Thunder fan, you'd better hope by some miracle you come back and win this series, because Durant will probably be on the first bus out of town once his rookie contract is up if he ever wants to win a ring. Do you guys honestly think 3 superstars are all going to sit down and say, "You know where we all ought to go play, Minnesota!! Or Portland, Oregon!!" Teams like that are already in a tough spot, but the rise of the superteam is going to kill their chances to compete entirely.
Click to expand...

Actually Durant signed a 5 year extension
 
#33
#33
milohimself said:
I personally loved that period because teams were winning with good drafts, smart mid level signings and solid fundamental basketball.

I get what bleed orange is saying; yes, we will be seeing a handful of great teams, but the fear is that small markets will essentially be rendered useless except as a launching pad for superstars so they can go to a major market and win.

I would like to see a cap and max salary extension above and beyond what's currently in place, but specifically for players with the organization for whom they were drafted. So, to take lamarcus Aldridge here for example, if he wanted to bail to Los Angeles or wherever to form a super team and get a ring, he could but he would potentially forgo tens of millions of dollars to do so.

The only way small market teams can contend is through the draft, like okc. The way the current cba is constructed makes it ridiculously difficult to retain talent that way, while its apparently quite easy for three all nba caliber guys to get together and decide they will go win some rings.
Click to expand...

Bill Simmons proposed something like this a year or two ago. Basically it would be that the team who originally drafted a player would be able to offer something like 10-15% above the max without it counting against the cap, something no other suitors would be able to offer, in order to encourage players to stick it out with the team they came into the league with.
 
#34
#34
zjcvols said:
I'd rather have 4 or 5 great teams than 10 good ones. Remember the mid-2000's, when the Spurs, Pistons, and Heat won the title? Those were not fun days.
Click to expand...

This era was great because it was the exact opposite of hero ball and the espn hype machine that has plagued the game for almost a decade now. I'm fine with lebron, but what he represents in the media and with nba fans is the type of bs that eschews sound organizations still thinks Kobe Bryant is an elite player.
 
#35
#35
VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Actually Durant signed a 5 year extension
Click to expand...

Just wait till 5 years from now when he still doesn't have a ring because he keeps getting beat by superteams every year. Do you honestly think he's just going to resign himself to always being a bridesmaid, or is he going to try and get a piece of the action too? Maybe he won't, but he would certainly be a very rare exception.
 
#36
#36
zjcvols said:
I'd rather have 4 or 5 great teams than 10 good ones. Remember the mid-2000's, when the Spurs, Pistons, and Heat won the title? Those were not fun days.
Click to expand...

Those were some boring teams, no doubt. However, looking back, it is nice to see teams who "did it the right way" by building a solid foundation through a combination of good drafting, trading and FA signings and getting better year by year and then reap the reward of winning a title.
 
#37
#37
bleedorange0037 said:
Those were some boring teams, no doubt. However, looking back, it is nice to see teams who "did it the right way" by building a solid foundation through a combination of good drafting, trading and FA signings and getting better year by year and then reap the reward of winning a title.
Click to expand...

You do realize you just contradicted your argument.

You just said by trading and FA signings (which the Heat did) and you said Durant may not stay (but the Thunder have drafted.their main guys and have gotten better).
 
#38
#38
VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
You do realize you just contradicted your argument.

You just said by trading and FA signings (which the Heat did) and you said Durant may not stay (but the Thunder have drafted.their main guys and have gotten better).
Click to expand...

Actually I said they won titles "by building a solid foundation through a combination of good drafting, trading and FA signings and getting better year by year". That's not what the Heat did.
 
#39
#39
tkemo said:
I just don't understand why a tv or radio personality deliberately tries to be an annoying a-hole. I guess there's a market for it. There are to many media outlets now days to listen or watch this kind of crap, but apparently people do. I think ESPN caters to the nerdy guy trying to fit in at the water cooler way too much.
Click to expand...

Because people will watch/read them and talk about them, even if just to see/complain about what they say



It's like that "any news is good news" method of attention that guys like Kiffin used with programs
 
#40
#40
bleedorange0037 said:
The problem with this line of thought is that the superteams will almost certainly be located in the leagues biggest media markets. If you're a fan of the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls or possibly the Nets, Clippers or even the Kings if they move to Anaheim (due to their location, and not so much their current on-court status), you should like this idea because it's likely that a superteam is coming to your city within the next 5 years. But what's the point of having 25 other teams if the NEVER have a shot to compete for a title? If you're a Thunder fan, you'd better hope by some miracle you come back and win this series, because Durant will probably be on the first bus out of town once his rookie contract is up if he ever wants to win a ring. Do you guys honestly think 3 superstars are all going to sit down and say, "You know where we all ought to go play, Minnesota!! Or Portland, Oregon!!" Teams like that are already in a tough spot, but the rise of the superteam is going to kill their chances to compete entirely.
Click to expand...

Durant and Westbrook are signed through 2015.

LeBron would have easily stayed in Cleveland, if Danny Ferry knew how to construct a team.
 
#41
#41
zjcvols said:
Durant and Westbrook are signed through 2015.

LeBron would have easily stayed in Cleveland, if Danny Ferry knew how to construct a team.
Click to expand...

You're right on both counts. But with the Heat winning a title, the game has changed, probably forever. Do you honestly think that every other elite player in the league is going to be content to resign themselves to just biding their time and then starting to compete for titles once the superteam in Miami is broken up, which will probably be AT LEAST 5 years from now? I highly doubt it. They all know that the only way to win a ring is to get in on a superteam of their own.
 
#43
#43
bleedorange0037 said:
You're right on both counts. But with the Heat winning a title, the game has changed, probably forever. Do you honestly think that every other elite player in the league is going to be content to resign themselves to just biding their time and then starting to compete for titles once the superteam in Miami is broken up, which will probably be AT LEAST 5 years from now? I highly doubt it. They all know that the only way to win a ring is to get in on a superteam of their own.
Click to expand...

Uh, Durant did.
 
#44
#44
zjcvols said:
Uh, Durant did.
Click to expand...

You do realize that 2015 is only 3 seasons from now? It's not like he'll be shackled to that franchise until he's too old and decrepit to go somewhere else and win a title. I fully expect him to leave as soon as he gets the opportunity. He's not ever going to win a ring in OKC.
 
#45
#45
bleedorange0037 said:
You do realize that 2015 is only 3 seasons from now? It's not like he'll be shackled to that franchise until he's too old and decrepit to go somewhere else and win a title. I fully expect him to leave as soon as he gets the opportunity. He's not ever going to win a ring in OKC.
Click to expand...

This is ridiculous. This isn't a LeBron situation. He's got a top 10 player, a top 20 player, a top 30 player, the best GM, and one of the better coaches with him.
 
#46
#46
zjcvols said:
This is ridiculous. This isn't a LeBron situation. He's got a top 10 player, a top 20 player, a top 30 player, the best GM, and one of the better coaches with him.
Click to expand...

True, but at the same time, when LeBron was in Cleveland, there wasn't anything even remotely resembling the current incarnation of the Heat standing in his way either. While Durant has a lot more pieces around him, the height of the mountain he has to climb to get a ring is MILES higher than the one LeBron was trying to drag his Cleveland teams up.
 
#47
#47
bleedorange0037 said:
This is true, but at the same time, when LeBron was in Cleveland, there wasn't anything even remotely resembling the current incarnation of the Heat standing in his way either. While Durant has a lot more pieces around him, the height of the mountain he has to climb to get a ring is MILES higher than the one LeBron was trying to drag his Cleveland teams up.
Click to expand...

Other than the Clippers, the Thunder have no one that can close to matching them in the West.

And, uh, Celtics for LeBron?
 
#49
#49
zjcvols said:
Other than the Clippers, the Thunder have no one that can close to matching them in the West.

And, uh, Celtics for LeBron?
Click to expand...

That Celtics team was good, but it doesn't even compare with the All-Star squad the Heat fielded this year. All of the Heat's big 3 are in the absolute prime of their careers, while the Pierce was in his prime when they were formed, but both Garnett and Allen might have been at the very tail end of their prime, but honestly both were probably starting to decline by the time they got to Boston.
 
#50
#50
bleedorange0037 said:
That Celtics team was good, but it doesn't even compare with the All-Star squad the Heat fielded this year. All of the Heat's big 3 are in the absolute prime of their careers, while the Pierce was in his prime when they were formed, but both Garnett and Allen might have been at the very tail end of their prime, but honestly both were probably starting to decline by the time they got to Boston.
Click to expand...

And that team was still a hell of a lot better than the **** show in Cleveland.
 
New Posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

Advertisement



Back
Top