SI's Stewart Mandel calls Mike Hamilton "the worst AD in the country"

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Coach Grizz said:
I could careless what Jeremy Foley does at FU. I only care about our AD at UT, I'd rather have an ol' ball coach. People skills, organizational skills, leadership skills, and still be business minded.
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To have that opinion you have to be out of touch with modern college athletics. Yes there are some ADs out there who are former head ball coaches, but there are fewer and fewer of them. Jeremy Foley, like UF or hate them, is a great AD. Dick Baddour at UNC is another one who has a mostly academic & administrative background. One guy you prob. never heard of is the UCLA AD - he's regarded as one of the best in the biz and is the president of the national AD association - no coaching experience. In fact go look at the AD association and their peers at see how many of the "top 10" ADs have a history of head coaching...None

Too much politics, fund raising, academics, etc for the average former ole' ball coach to handle. Plus, you need to remember the AD is responsible for all the sports, not just football oversight. Further, academics, off field behavior, marketing, etc all fall under his purview - not exactly Fulmer's strong suits. Mike Hamilton may not be the best guy for the job, granted, but he's better suited than Fulmer ever would be. I've said this elsewhere, UT needs to look for someone with proven experience running a quality athletics program at the D1 level to bring in to get things running right. They need to look outside the Orange bubble that Vols like to live in and find a top notch guy to lead our program for the next decade!
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
So you think our athletic program is the only one that creeps across the ESPN bottomline? I think the increased level of scrutiny comes with being competitive in collegiate athletics. If you're constantly looking for UT in the headlines you're gonna see it more than other programs.
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Let's see, in the last couple of years we've had some football players arrested for armed robbery at a gas station, a third of our basketball team arrested on guns and drug charges, our hostesses laughed at and basically called whores in the national media, half a dozen Lane Kiffin gaffes and violations, our basketball coach admit that he lied to the NCAA, and a giant brawl in which a bunch of our football players beat the shat out of some people, including seriously injuring a cop. And that's just off the top of my head; I'm sure I'm missing something. Name a school that has half that resume in the last two years.
 
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VolBalla2014 said:
Kiffin hire was a bust. Anyone agree?
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Actually, Kiffin was the right guy to acid wash the walls of the program. It needed it after 17 years of Fulmer malaise. It is best that he is gone, but the program needed a house cleaning.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
Here we go with the sidewalk alumni crap, naw you didn't say it but it's headed that way sorry I'm just a ol country bumpkin that LOVES football!!
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I don't have a problem with our so-called sidewalk alumni; I appreciate their support. Hell, I'm related to a bunch of them. All I ask -- or even demand, in the case of my relatives -- is that they try to understand that the University of Tennessee, Knoxville is a vastly bigger and more important thing than its football team, and that there are times when the two come in conflict, and when that happens, the Right Thing To Do is not to just reflexively support whatever helps the football team on the field the most.
 
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#57
Kiffin - terrible hire
Pearl - brilliant hire
Dooley - we'll see

His legacy hinges heavily on whether Dooley gets us back into NC contention.
 
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Tux said:
Actually, Kiffin was the right guy to acid wash the walls of the program. It needed it after 17 years of Fulmer malaise. It is best that he is gone, but the program needed a house cleaning.
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Interesting assessment. What do you think of where we would be if Dooley was hired after we fired Fulmer? Just curious.
 
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VolBalla2014 said:
Kiffin hire was a bust. Anyone agree?
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Looking back now... yeah, but who in their right mind could have predicted that? Kiffin at the time was a great hire. He got us good recruits. And at the moment, it is looking like Dooley was a good hire as well that was blasted when first announced
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Let's see, in the last couple of years we've had some football players arrested for armed robbery at a gas station, a third of our basketball team arrested on guns and drug charges, our hostesses laughed at and basically called whores in the national media, half a dozen Lane Kiffin gaffes and violations, our basketball coach admit that he lied to the NCAA, and a giant brawl in which a bunch of our football players beat the shat out of some people, including seriously injuring a cop. And that's just off the top of my head; I'm sure I'm missing something. Name a school that has half that resume in the last two years.
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I'm not trying to say we haven't had issues, but look at Georgia, Florida, and Notre Dame. Through Sept. 2010 (SI article) there were 85 college athletes arrested for felonies or misdemeanors involving violence, weapons or substance abuse, 70 of those were college football players. When you get a bunch of 18-21 year olds together without supervision someone is gonna get arrested sooner or later. Is it Mike Hamilton's responsibility to follow them around and keep them out of trouble?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Pearl can't be considered a brilliant hire if UT has penalties because of him.
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It depends on the penalties. Unless they're program breaking (which I doubt they would do for such an infraction) he'll be fine. People tend to forget the state of UT basketball pre 2005. He's gotten us more national recognition than any other coach ever has. The only thing comparable in UT basketball history was the Bert and Ernie Show.
 
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#63
Yeah volalumngatrland my mind is stuck in an era of long ago that I grew up watching. I'm kinda like gen. Patton he was stuck in the nestalga (I know that's spelled wrong please forgive me) of ancient war far.
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tallshortvol said:
It depends on the penalties. Unless they're program breaking (which I doubt they would do for such an infraction) he'll be fine. People tend to forget the state of UT basketball pre 2005. He's gotten us more national recognition than any other coach ever has. The only thing comparable in UT basketball history was the Bert and Ernie Show.
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Pearl is not going to be fine. UT basketball might be, but Pearl is not.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I don't have a problem with our so-called sidewalk alumni; I appreciate their support. Hell, I'm related to a bunch of them. All I ask -- or even demand, in the case of my relatives -- is that they try to understand that the University of Tennessee, Knoxville is a vastly bigger and more important thing than its football team, and that there are times when the two come in conflict, and when that happens, the Right Thing To Do is not to just reflexively support whatever helps the football team on the field the most.
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I see and understand your point my friend.
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Vercingetorix said:
You would probably have to look long and hard to find another AD with three ongoing serious NCAA investigations in football, basketball, and baseball, wouldn't you think?

But hey! Guy's a helluva fundraiser!
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UT is the only college football program in TN worth a squat. Its whats called a monopoly, you put anyone in there and TN makes money.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Pearl is not going to be fine. UT basketball might be, but Pearl is not.
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Like I said, if he doesn't get fired he'll be fine. As long as he keeps winning and the penalties aren't program breaking he will be fine. I'd like to know what you think will happen to him if he does keep winning and there are no additional penalties.
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
I'm not trying to say we haven't had issues, but look at Georgia, Florida, and Notre Dame. Through Sept. 2010 (SI article) there were 85 college athletes arrested for felonies or misdemeanors involving violence, weapons or substance abuse, 70 of those were college football players. When you get a bunch of 18-21 year olds together without supervision someone is gonna get arrested sooner or later. Is it Mike Hamilton's responsibility to follow them around and keep them out of trouble?
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When UGA and UF's players get busted, they usually get busted alone, for weed or underage consumption or whatever. Typical college crap. When our players get arrested, they get arrested in groups -- the Pilot episode, the New Year's Day episode, the brawl at Bar Knoxville, whatever the deal with Duke Crews and the "stolen" car was a few years ago. (And I'm not even going to touch on some of the shiat that was rumored around Ramar Smith.) All of that speaks to a cultural problem at UT that doesn't seem to exist at UGA, UF, etc.

Is Mike Hamilton responsible for that? Can he actually do anything to fix it? I don't know. But when you combine it with the awful Lane Kiffin hire, the Pearl situation, the baseball situation, the publicly bungled hire when Kiffin left (regardless of whether Dooley turns out to be the guy or not), you sure get the sense that Hamilton is good at raising money and not much else.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Who has the stature to fire him? He's only reported to the chancellor of the UTK campus for about 30 minutes. Before that, he reported to a toothless interim UT president, and before that to a scandal-plagued incompetent president who was on his way out for years. Our new president probably hasn't even moved his desk out of the Ag Campus yet.

No one is at the bridge.
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I hate to say it but this seems to meet the mental picture I have when someone says "Lack of institutional control." It sucks that us fans will have to suffer from these dumba**es incompetence.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
When UGA and UF's players get busted, they usually get busted alone, for weed or underage consumption or whatever. Typical college crap. When our players get arrested, they get arrested in groups -- the Pilot episode, the New Year's Day episode, the brawl at Bar Knoxville, whatever the deal with Duke Crews and the "stolen" car was a few years ago. (And I'm not even going to touch on some of the shiat that was rumored around Ramar Smith.) All of that speaks to a cultural problem at UT that doesn't seem to exist at UGA, UF, etc.

Is Mike Hamilton responsible for that? Can he actually do anything to fix it? I don't know. But when you combine it with the awful Lane Kiffin hire, the Pearl situation, the baseball situation, the publicly bungled hire when Kiffin left (regardless of whether Dooley turns out to be the guy or not), you sure get the sense that Hamilton is good at raising money and not much else.
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I understand what you're saying. I don't think it's wrong for an AD to hire coaches and think they can control their players though.
 
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vols-1 said:
UT is the only college football program in TN worth a squat. Its whats called a monopoly, you put anyone in there and TN makes money.
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I have been saying this for a long time. Anyone who has the strings to get the job of AD at TN is going to have the strings to bring in plenty of dough, in my very humble and probably somewhat ignorant opinion.
 
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