Simple physics

[Lexvol]

Here's the thing. Very few high school football players actually possess football speed. Nautral god given speed, yes. Your right in that its not straight line speed, its how quick a player can get to or accelerate to their top end. Its taught through drills and technique. It does not come from natural talent. Speed is part of every strength and conditioning program in America.

Take Oregon for example. Every player recruited to Oregon has to go through their "speed school".

Football speed is coached through drills and technique. But you can only do so much. That's why scheme, technique and discipline mean so much, and that can only be a product of the coach.

We don't have slow players, we have under developed players that for some reason use bad technique and have no discipline. In my view and mine alone that can only be a result from coaching. They can't be developed over night, but they sure as heck can be taught the correct technique and to have discipline.

I agree with a lot of this. This is why our coaching turnover has been a *****. I don't think that they got any coaching at all last year.

If it looks like this again next year, Butch is going to have some real decisions to make.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Here's the thing. Very few high school football players actually possess football speed. Nautral god given speed, yes. Your right in that its not straight line speed, its how quick a player can get to or accelerate to their top end. Its taught through drills and technique. It does not come from natural talent. Speed is part of every strength and conditioning program in America.

Take Oregon for example. Every player recruited to Oregon has to go through their "speed school".

Football speed is coached through drills and technique. But you can only do so much. That's why scheme, technique and discipline mean so much, and that can only be a product of the coach.

We don't have slow players, we have under developed players that for some reason use bad technique and have no discipline. In my view and mine alone that can only be a result from coaching. They can't be developed over night, but they sure as heck can be taught the correct technique and to have discipline.

I agree with a lot of that. I suppose I just need to hear what coach makes Brewer and AJ be able to get to the edge. Do we really think a coach like stripling that is known around the country as a great dl coach is making coaching mistakes now with jaques and miller as they give up the edge every play? Or as they get knocked off the ball 5 yards by the man in front of them?
Again, as I have said many times, coaches aren't doing great, but they are working with mac level talent. I have a hunch that coaches will look better with better players.

 

[Lexvol]

Here is the excuse of excuses…but I believe it. I think we are beat up, and that Butch is playing it close to the vest. We haven't gotten anything from Randolph or Walls in the last two weeks. I am hoping the week off is what the Dr. ordered.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Here is the excuse of excuses…but I believe it. I think we are beat up, and that Butch is playing it close to the vest. We haven't gotten anything from Randolph or Walls in the last two weeks. I am hoping the week off is what the Dr. ordered.

There isn't a thinner defense that has had to play that run of games in as long as I can remember. Not to mention the mental aspect of getting your butt kicked so badly.
Penny Hardaway had 36 points on me going into the 4th quarter back in the day and I really didn't feel like playing the 4th. Can't imagine if that happened 3 games in a row, where I was being shoved to the ground 40 times a game to boot.

 

[NEVolFan]

If they are faster they can beat you to the corner, only the posters on Volnation can catch them.
Watching FSU and Bama is exciting because Jones is recruiting those types of athletes. There is no other way, if you wanna compete in the top 5 you have to recruit in the top 5.

Go CBJ and Go Vols

Agree..... and FYP

 

[H2O Vol]

Its apparant that I embarrassed you when you listed 40 times as an argument to say we have football field speed. You should let it go. Holding a grudge like a little beatch is unbecoming.

Laughable. Yet another failed post, status quo and your one constant.

You have a poor habit of taking comments out of context to suit your typical and tiresome narcissism. I posted,

Not @ QB

Coleman, McNeil, Randolph and Toney run a 4.5-4.55
Sutton runs a sub 4.5

Franklin runs 4.6
Maty run a 5+
DGB & Josey have legit elite speed, according to Pinkel both were timed sub 4.4

In response to your ridiculous post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacavolus View Post
Their backup qb and starting rb are faster than anyone we have playing defense.

Fail. Again.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Laughable. Yet another failed post, status quo and your one constant.

You have a poor habit of taking comments out of context to suit your typical and tiresome narcissism. I posted,


In response to your ridiculous post


Fail. Again.

And I stand by what I said when I said prior to the game that mizzous qb and rb are faster than anyone on our defense. I'm talking football, which means fast on the football field. That you continue to debate the opposite as auburn just did the same thing, well, not shocked in the least.
Maybe you should find a board about track. The adults are talking about football speed. You can have Leonard Scott. I'll take Cedric Wilson.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Can't tell with Sutton yet. Randolph is a good college safety but not pro material. McCullers will get drafted because of his size.
Think about it. Bama has several defensive players drafted every year. We are trying to come up with more than 2 drafted in the next 4 years as part of a debate, where some say its not lack of speed or talent. We may have 2 drafted in the next 3 years, while the lsu's and bamas have a dozen or so during the same period.

Surely you don't think I eould argue with you that Alabama and LSU are more talented than the Vols?

 

[Spartacavolus]

Surely you don't think I eould argue with you that Alabama and LSU are more talented than the Vols?

Posters talk about their angles and lack of missed tackles. I don't think saban coaches his players on angles. I think he has studs that have speed and instinct and he puts them in the right positions. If they don't make plays or take bad angles, he subs with next years draft pick. If we don't make a play, a walkon comes in.

 

[H2O Vol]

And I stand by what I said when I said prior to the game that mizzous qb and rb are faster than anyone on our defense. I'm talking football, which means fast on the football field. That you continue to debate the opposite as auburn just did the same thing, well, not shocked in the least.
Maybe you should find a board about track. The adults are talking about football speed. You can have Leonard Scott. I'll take Cedric Wilson.

There you go again. You seriously cannot help yourself. I debate nothing of the sort. As Fade, myself and others have and continue to say you change your argument whenever it suits you.
Your orig comment references nothing about football speed if it had the dialogue would have taken a different course.

For a man in his mid-30's married w/ children (as you claim) you act like a friendless, adolescent that has trouble relating who’s locked in his room hunched over a computer.
You're a fraud and attention seeker that yearns to be accepted.

 

[OrangeUTopia]

I'd be willing to bet that many of the same people blaming all our problems on poor talent are the same one's who told us the last few years that recruiting rankings didn't matter and those 2/3* commits/signees were going to be alright.

 

[Spartacavolus]

There you go again. You seriously cannot help yourself. I debate nothing of the sort. As Fade, myself and others have and continue to say you change your argument whenever it suits you.
Your orig comment references nothing about football speed if it had the dialogue would have taken a different course.

For a man in his mid-30's married w/ children (as you claim) you act like a friendless, adolescent that has trouble relating who’s locked in his room hunched over a computer.
You're a fraud and attention seeker that yearns to be accepted.

What speed do you think I am referring to when I say a football player is faster than another football player? You took it a different course. I didn't change a thing. If I want to talk about 40 times by some slow thumbed coach, I will ask about 40 times. Did I mention 40 times, or did you?
As for your 2nd paragraph, surprisingly, you are wrong again. Now, if you want to continue to fire the insults, feel free. Seeking acceptance from someone like you isn't on my to do list.

 

[ncvol17]

wow, reading this string I come away with: there is a lot of animosity between a few of you guys 2} we have another bad coaching staff dotted with rejects of other schools. I am now sad.

 

[H2O Vol]

What speed do you think I am referring to when I say a football player is faster than another football player? You took it a different course. I didn't change a thing. If I want to talk about 40 times by some slow thumbed coach, I will ask about 40 times. Did I mention 40 times, or did you?
As for your 2nd paragraph, surprisingly, you are wrong again. Now, if you want to continue to fire the insults, feel free. Seeking acceptance from someone like you isn't on my to do list.

And yet again you alter the argument. How refreshing.
No, you did not say, "a football player is faster than another football player" you said, "Their backup qb and starting rb are faster than anyone we have playing defense". I responded to the QB portion. Their 40's listed as reference nothing more. It is you who blew that way out of proportion. Nevertheless, change it as many times as you like. The fact remains their QB, football speed or otherwise is not faster than everyone on our D. Your comment was inaccurate as well as absurd. In hindsight you too realize the ignorance of your words but instead of owning it you pass blame. Typical.

 

[GAVol]

The fact remains their QB, football speed or otherwise is not faster than everyone on our D. .

Could've fooled me.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Could've fooled me.

The debate is absurd, really.

 

[H2O Vol]

Could've fooled me.

I'll go w/ being out of position, bad angles, lack of discipline and poor tackling for $500.00, Alex.

 

[GAVol]

I'll go w/ being out of position, bad angles, lack of discipline and poor tackling for $500.00, Alex.

Suck it, Trebek! Our defense is slow.

 

[H2O Vol]

Suck it, Trebek! Our defense is slow.

Insightful

 

[oregonvol]

This whole speed debate is just tired. People on here act like the only problem we have is that we get beat in a foot race. We're taking awful angles, failing to wrap up, not getting off blocks, etc. Have you actually watched the games?

 

[GAVol]

This whole speed debate is just tired. People on here act like the only problem we have is that we get beat in a foot race. We're taking awful angles, failing to wrap up, not getting off blocks, etc. Have you actually watched the games?

You're right about all of that . . . and we're slow. Realistically, our only shot was going to be if McCullers had been able to turn himself into a true disrupter that demanded a double and took away the middle of the field. That just hasn't happened.

 

[Spartacavolus]

This whole speed debate is just tired. People on here act like the only problem we have is that we get beat in a foot race. We're taking awful angles, failing to wrap up, not getting off blocks, etc. Have you actually watched the games?

Have you read any posts debating angles, etc? Or anyone even saying its speed only?
I haven't. Most on here realize coaches have made mistakes but also know what they see, man to man, on the field.
Fact is that the angle you take is based on your speed and the speed of your opponent. If you are faster, angles mean nothing. If you are slower, angles mean more. If you don't understand that angles aren't as big of an issue when you have more speed than your opponent, what is there to say.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Have you read any posts debating angles, etc? Or anyone even saying its speed only?
I haven't. Most on here realize coaches have made mistakes but also know what they see, man to man, on the field.
Fact is that the angle you take is based on your speed and the speed of your opponent. If you are faster, angles mean nothing. If you are slower, angles mean more. If you don't understand that angles aren't as big of an issue when you have more speed than your opponent, what is there to say.

This statement alone proves either your ignorance, or your lack of written communication skills.

And please don't make me draw you a picture to explain how bad angles, for a faster player, does in fact mean something.

 

[Spartacavolus]

You're right about all of that . . . and we're slow. Realistically, our only shot was going to be if McCullers had been able to turn himself into a true disrupter that demanded a double and took away the middle of the field. That just hasn't happened.

That's where I wonder about scheme. I would like to see shooting gaps or just firing off and disrupting. Seems like we are asking the front 7, especially front 4, to build a wall like bama does, stand up the OL, stay in lanes, and make plays.
It just doesn't work as well when you don't have 8-9 players that will be on nfl rosters. All that has done is allow opponents to pick their gap or edge and get in space against an lb or safety.

 

[Spartacavolus]

This statement alone proves either your ignorance, or your lack of written communication skills.

And please don't make me draw you a picture to explain how bad angles, for a faster player, does in fact mean something.

If you are trying to tackle me one on one in space and I am faster, I am going to beat you almost everytime. To get me, you better have a perfect angle, but I'm probably cutting back off your hip when I see your hip.
In turn, if you have the ball but I am faster, I am running straight at you as you can't beat me to the edge or cutback. I don't have to start running sideways to catch you. If I take a poor angle, I can still make the tackle. Angles are much more important for slower players than faster. That's common sense. Saying they mean nothing is exaggeration.