Simms Should NOT Have Been Pulled

#126
#126
GoBigOrangeVols said:
I actually don't have a huge beef with him this week, which is why I didn't resurrect my thread from last week.

One decently called game does not an offensive coordinator make though.

Rest assured, if he fouls up another game like he did UGA, Bama, and LSU and almost UAB I will be back on him with vengeance.
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I bet he's terrified.
 
#127
#127
Tux said:
Simms has not progressed in several games. His talent and performance peaked long ago. Our offense under him was moving in quick sand.

Simms just holds onto the ball too long to get the ball off before getting sacked. When you get sacked, you have to hold onto the ball.

It was the right move that should have been made right after the Bama game.

Now he throws his team mates under the bus. He should get used to the pine now.
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Agreed. Part of being QB is being a leader.....not a whiny @#tch like he is.
 
#128
#128
I think proof is in the attitude and actions of both players. After Bray threw the interception, Simms was still brooding on the sideline, especially after Bray was told he was going back in. At that point, Bray could have been sulking as well, but he wasn't, he thought about his mistake and then gathered the receivers and backs for a quick huddle. If he really said what he says he did (and I have no reason to doubt it), he rallied the troops in a true leadership moment and made up for his mistakes. I don't know about the rest of you, but that is what I've been looking for all year.

Now, that said, the next proof will be what happens in practice this week. Does Simms step up and approach practice from a positive, I'm going to compete and get my spot back attitude, or does he continue to brood? I'm still a proponent that the best player should start so it will be interesting to see who has the best practices this week.
 
#131
#131
Ok so let's assume Simms and Bray hold on to the ball too long. (Equally) Simms can't make the throws Bray did and can. End of story/thread.
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#132
#132
Orangekush423 said:
Ok so let's assume Simms and Bray hold on to the ball too long. (Equally) Simms can't make the throws Bray did and can. End of story/thread.
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what happened before the third quarter of yesterday's game made you think bray could make throws simms couldn't make?
 
#133
#133
GoBigOrangeVols said:
what happened before the third quarter of yesterday's game made you think bray could make throws simms couldn't make?
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The UT-Martin game, the UGA game and the Bama game.

It's obvious he's got a better arm.

What the big question regarding Bray was his physical and mental toughness. He proved both yesterday.
 
#134
#134
GoBigOrangeVols said:
what happened before the third quarter of yesterday's game made you think bray could make throws simms couldn't make?
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The 4 yrs of HS football. The countless recruiting reviews. Practice footage, practice reviews. Coaching reviews. UtM, UGA, ect. You didn't really just ask me that Q did you? Not many ppl questioned who had the better arm/accuracy.
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#135
#135
calban said:
Last week your post was, he doesn't run on first down.
This week he ran the ball on first down about 90% of the time.
So what's your beef with him this week?
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I was one of those ppl dissing Chaney's play calling last week. I thought this game was pretty well called. I have never questioned the fact that ONCE Chaney gets a good QB he will be awesoe at play calling ... we just don't have an awesome QB with Sims and he needed to realize it ... in my opinion.



I will say that when Bray was in you could see what Chaney wanted to do. Deep throws. WR's doing end arounds to keep the d on its toes. And the occasional run to keep the safeties up closer. I really liked what I saw with Bray in the game. And the boy could throw a really pretty ball. In my opinion, we would have honestly beat USClite by 10 or ore if Bray had of started. Just y opinion.

GBO!
 
#136
#136
justingroves said:
The UT-Martin game, the UGA game and the Bama game.

It's obvious he's got a better arm.

What the big question regarding Bray was his physical and mental toughness. He proved both yesterday.
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I agree.

And to go further, this is a process with Bray. Simply handing him the ball week 1 would not make us 5-3 IMO.

He has been given some time to adjust, and it looks like he is making steps. At this point he needs to put him in and let him play the rest of the season. But be prepared to see some of the same issues at times, to go with the flash.
 
#137
#137
GoBigOrangeVols said:
10/13 153 yards, TD 0 ints.

The first fumble was not his fault at all. The second was partially his fault for not controlling the ball while moving through traffic. Both were the result terrible blind side protection.

He would never have thrown that pick six. Many high school QBs would have been able to read the defense on that route.

All that said... Bray recovered well and played pretty good the rest of the way, however saying Simms takes too many sacks is like the pot calling the kettle black if you think Bray doesn't do the exact same thing. We don't have the line to protect for all the pass plays the moronic Jim Chaney calls throughout the course of a game.

I'm not saying Bray shouldn't play the rest of the season, all I'm saying is Simms was having a pretty gritty and good game, probably his best as a Vol, when he got benched.
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What about 2-6 and running the no-pulse offense. Its not the play calling,Simms does not know when to get rid of the ball. Bragged early in the season about mastering the art of being sacked,great!! He needs to master the art of getting rid of the freaking football. I think its past time for Brey to get a shot! Simms can practice his sack mastery on the scout team!!! With Worley coming next year no chance Sims sees the field!!! It will be Brey's team or Worley's but Sims is history and Nash needs to change positions!!!

10/13 153 AND TWO FREAKING FUMBLES RESULTING IN 10 USuCk points!!! You forgot those in your stats!!
 
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#139
#139
GoBigOrangeVols said:
10/13 153 yards, TD 0 ints.

The first fumble was not his fault at all. The second was partially his fault for not controlling the ball while moving through traffic. Both were the result terrible blind side protection.

He would never have thrown that pick six. Many high school QBs would have been able to read the defense on that route.

All that said... Bray recovered well and played pretty good the rest of the way, however saying Simms takes too many sacks is like the pot calling the kettle black if you think Bray doesn't do the exact same thing. We don't have the line to protect for all the pass plays the moronic Jim Chaney calls throughout the course of a game.

I'm not saying Bray shouldn't play the rest of the season, all I'm saying is Simms was having a pretty gritty and good game, probably his best as a Vol, when he got benched.
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Its always your fault when you fumble!!!!!
 
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#140
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
I was one of those ppl dissing Chaney's play calling last week. I thought this game was pretty well called. I have never questioned the fact that ONCE Chaney gets a good QB he will be awesoe at play calling ... we just don't have an awesome QB with Sims and he needed to realize it ... in my opinion.



I will say that when Bray was in you could see what Chaney wanted to do. Deep throws. WR's doing end arounds to keep the d on its toes. And the occasional run to keep the safeties up closer. I really liked what I saw with Bray in the game. And the boy could throw a really pretty ball. In my opinion, we would have honestly beat USClite by 10 or ore if Bray had of started. Just y opinion.

GBO!
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the adjustments wouldve been made on him the way they were on Simms. Like another guy said, you don't just hand bray the ball game 1 and were 6-2 or 5-3. Its a process. Chances are, if Bray wouldve started, they would have forced some other form of TO, or it wouldve been something else holding us back. WE SIMPLY AREN'T THERE YET.
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#141
#141
justingroves said:
The UT-Martin game, the UGA game and the Bama game.

It's obvious he's got a better arm.

What the big question regarding Bray was his physical and mental toughness. He proved both yesterday.
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so Bray's 16 of 32 for 144, with 0 TDs and 2 Ints before yesterday's game was better than what Simms had done on the season? (100 of 176 1253 yards, 7 TDs 5 Ints up until yesterday (his numbers are actually much better after the game he had yesterday))

GTFO. Bray hadn't showed sh*t up until yesterday so you can't act like you thought Tom Brady was coming in off the bench.

I hope that Bray continues to play well, but I'm not going to put all of my eggs in a basket that consists of almost one half of decent QB play against a defense sitting on a lead.
 
#142
#142
Simms will never get this program where it needs to be. Bray on the other hand has loads of potential. I like the call to give Bray a shot.
 
#143
#143
Simms should have been pulled weeks ago just as many other ppl on here have said he has had many chances to show improvement and prove himself..And it seems week to week he gets worse when week to week he should be improving. Bray is the better choice. As for the two fumbles there is no excuse...You have to hang on to the ball..And if he would get rid of it he wouldnt be put in that sitiutation to begin with...Just my opinion but I think bray is better and I think we should go with Bray..And after Simms ran off at the mouth to the media he def. needs to set on the sidelines and get an attitude adjustment...Also in my opinion I dont think dooley would have ever signed this kid...But to sum it up I say Bray all the way...AND GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!
 
#144
#144
GoBigOrangeVols said:
so Bray's 16 of 32 for 144, with 0 TDs and 2 Ints before yesterday's game was better than what Simms had done on the season? (100 of 176 1253 yards, 7 TDs 5 Ints up until yesterday (his numbers are actually much better after the game he had yesterday))

GTFO. Bray hadn't showed sh*t up until yesterday so you can't act like you thought Tom Brady was coming in off the bench.

I hope that Bray continues to play well, but I'm not going to put all of my eggs in a basket that consists of almost one half of decent QB play against a defense sitting on a lead.
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In his limited time, he looked like a whole hell of a lot better QB than Simms. Stats are irrelevant to me.

Bray feels pressure, steps up and delivers strikes. Simms looks lost about a half second after the snap. Bray will throw the ball away. Simms holds on until someone hits him, in which case he coughs it up to the other team.

I told everyone that would listen all summer long that Simms was merely holding down the fort until the coaches felt comfortable with Bray. That happened yesterday in the third quarter.

I never called for Bray to start over Simms until now. It's apparent to anyone paying attention as to who has the arm and the trust of the OC.
 
#145
#145
I came away impressed with Bray's quick release. In real time it looks like he just whips part of his arm, like he doesn't cock it all the way back. But then it flys 50 yards. Very impressive. But I'm not sure he's very elusive in the pocket. Any time he has to tuck and run or dodge a rusher he looks pretty awkard and slow. It also seems like he goes down awkard everytime he gets sacked. Like he's fragile and will get hurt easy.
 
#146
#146
I'm with GBOV on this one..and I'm not with him. Allow me to explain.

(1) It doesn't take Dick Tracy to figure out that Tyler Bray is the future of the UT offense.

(2) But Matt Simms has the edge in experience. Talent level being close, you've gotta go with that, or risk getting your future ruined by a bad frosh year. Problem is, Simms is a junior. No later than next April, that's going to be an issue.

(3) The coaching staff, we must assume, despite their inability to count to 11, is well aware of (1) and (2). So, what to do? Start Simms...see what he can do...and work on bringing Bray up to speed as fast as possible. By all indications, this is what UT did.

(4) Choosing the USCe game to put Bray in was probably more a result of Bray's improvement than it was Simm's decline. On the "Simms scale", that game was not a bad one for him, to that point. But the staff had to be looking at the scoreboard...and the fact that UT is a 20 point offense with Simms at the helm...and said "might as well make the switch now". No other logic connects all the dots.

(5) It's probably Bray the rest of the way. And that's probably the right decision to make. But you must understand that this kid is a true freshman...and next year he will be a true sophomore...much like the balance of the UT roster...and it will likely be late 2011, and finally 2012...before we see just how good Tyler Bray might be, can be, and is.

Finally...lastly...and rightfully so, Derek Dooley might have proven, by a very tough and somewhat questionable decision, that he knows how to win, and what it takes to do it. If not today, certainly tomorrow.

Go Vols.


Go Vols.
 
#147
#147
I think Dooley saw the second half starting to go like most of the other second halves and just wanted to jumpstart momentum. If Bray hadn't bounced back and made big boy plays after the interception, Simms probably would have gone back in. And if Simms hadn't shown major 'tude, stalking the sidelines fuming and mouthing off after the game, CDD probably would have rotated them for the rest of the season. Bray's maturity and Simms immaturity have made CDD's decision easier. Unfortunate for Simms, but he'll probably still see playing time, if he zips it.
 
#149
#149
After tonight's debacle???? I think this thread deserves a bump. Obviously the OP was on to something. Simms' is our future...ala Jerry from Bulls Gap...I'll hang up and listen.
 
#150
#150
debacle? He wasn't terrible. But Simms would have finished with 105 yards passing and 0 TDs. Probably a fumble.
 
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