Simms Should NOT Have Been Pulled

#101
#101
nickknx865 said:
He doesn't have one. At least that's what I've seen.

The ball should be out of his hands after the dropback. It isn't. It never is.

Bray will be an elite QB, IMO.
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judging by your allegiances to teams.. I'm not surprised you'd be willing to jump on a bandwagon.

You live in south knox and you are a Redsox, Mets, and Trojans fan? That must be exhausting.
 
#102
#102
it looked like DD and Simms were having a heated discussion on the sideline. I wouldnt be surprised if it was a precursor to Simms interview after the game. His attitude probably played as much a role in him being benched as soon as he was.
 
#103
#103
GoBigOrangeVols said:
judging by your allegiances to teams.. I'm not surprised you'd be willing to jump on a bandwagon.

You live in south knox and you are a Redsox, Mets, and Trojans fan? That must be exhausting.
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Mets? Try the Knicks....the NY is an alternate logo for them.

And yeah, a Trojan/Vol fan.....

Not even going to get into this silly conversation again. I've done it too much during the offseason, and I'm not about to do it again.
 
#104
#104
nickknx865 said:
Mets? Try the Knicks....the NY is an alternate logo for them.

And yeah, a Trojan/Vol fan.....

Not even going to get into this silly conversation again. I've done it too much during the offseason, and I'm not about to do it again.
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haha okay. I'll take it easy on you since you are a Knicks fan, that alone is painful enough.
 
#105
#105
I dont understand why anybody is questioning why he was pulled. He held the ball tooo long and got hit and fumbled..........Coach Dooley chews him out on the sideline and you could read matt's lips (I understand coach). Next series matt holds the ball even longer gets hit and fumbles. TA DA no big surprise!
 
#106
#106
GoBigOrangeVols said:
10/13 153 yards, TD 0 ints.

The first fumble was not his fault at all. The second was partially his fault for not controlling the ball while moving through traffic. Both were the result terrible blind side protection.

He would never have thrown that pick six. Many high school QBs would have been able to read the defense on that route.

All that said... Bray recovered well and played pretty good the rest of the way, however saying Simms takes too many sacks is like the pot calling the kettle black if you think Bray doesn't do the exact same thing. We don't have the line to protect for all the pass plays the moronic Jim Chaney calls throughout the course of a game.

I'm not saying Bray shouldn't play the rest of the season, all I'm saying is Simms was having a pretty gritty and good game, probably his best as a Vol, when he got benched.
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Any opportunity to disagree with the coaches and bash DD is good enough, right?

This isn't a new problem for Simms. I like him. I think he has good tools and leadership. I like tough guys and he surely is. However, he has had a habit of holding the ball too long all season. He takes sacks where Bray was instinctively stepping out of the way.

I sympathize with him but his leash was plenty long.
 
#107
#107
sjt18 said:
Any opportunity to disagree with the coaches and bash DD is good enough, right?

This isn't a new problem for Simms. I like him. I think he has good tools and leadership. I like tough guys and he surely is. However, he has had a habit of holding the ball too long all season. He takes sacks where Bray was instinctively stepping out of the way.

I sympathize with him but his leash was plenty long.
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show me where I've ever bashed CDD. I'm very much behind him as Head Coach. That doesn't mean I won't question a move I disagree with.

There is only one coach on the staff that deserves bashing. He knows who he is.
 
#108
#108
GoBigOrangeVols said:
10/13 153 yards, TD 0 ints.

The first fumble was not his fault at all. The second was partially his fault for not controlling the ball while moving through traffic. Both were the result terrible blind side protection.

He would never have thrown that pick six. Many high school QBs would have been able to read the defense on that route.

All that said... Bray recovered well and played pretty good the rest of the way, however saying Simms takes too many sacks is like the pot calling the kettle black if you think Bray doesn't do the exact same thing. We don't have the line to protect for all the pass plays the moronic Jim Chaney calls throughout the course of a game.

I'm not saying Bray shouldn't play the rest of the season, all I'm saying is Simms was having a pretty gritty and good game, probably his best as a Vol, when he got benched.
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Simms holds the ball too long,his tools are are a weak arm, he does have good leadership it appears, he doesnt finish around the goal though. i would take Bray and turn him into our man for the next few years.
 
#109
#109
Sorry but he was not pulled because of the fumbles...It was because he took sacks he should not have that killed drives especially in the red zone...I have never seen Dooley so mad as he was when Simms came to the sideline.
 
#110
#110
I can't see how anyone can even argue who looked better. Simms is tough but has locked on one receiver all year and refuses to throw the ball away. Bray made some throws that Simms could not of made on his best day. I hope Simms shows his leadership and helps Bray get ready for the next game. I do not believe we ever heard Bray complaining when Simms was starting. Which one has leadership characteristics ?:ermm:
 
#111
#111
Simms was benched because of his tude more than his play Saturday. When the coaches approached him after his fumbles. His tude was what ever, its not my fault, and I do not want to hear what you are saying to me. That kind of attitude will get you benched every time and rightfully so. Simms thinks he is much better than he is. If he would have remained humble and been coachable, he would have remained in the game.
 
#112
#112
I don't know if ya'll were listening to the announcers or not but after the first Simm's fumble...they commented on him holding the ball too long. While they were talking DD jumped Simms pretty good on the sidelines and you could see Simms saying "I know I know". It happened a second time and he got yanked. Who's shocked and why?
 
#113
#113
Bassmanbruno said:
no - just no. It was Simms fault on both occasions. Had plenty of time to get rid of it. Holds the ball too long.
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The second one was Simm's fault but the first fumble the DE ran right around Dallas Thomas and was not even touched.
 
#114
#114
You have to look at Simms collective work. We all know this was coming.
This was one of his better games, but he still fumbled twice.

Bray has more upside and doesn't turn the ball over as much. It was really an easy decision. Bray has a noticably stronger arm.
I think they could have made this decision in the fall and started Bray from the beginning.
 
#115
#115
oklavol said:
You have to look at Simms collective work. We all know this was coming.
This was one of his better games, but he still fumbled twice.

Bray has more upside and doesn't turn the ball over as much. It was really an easy decision. Bray has a noticably stronger arm.
I think they could have made this decision in the fall and started Bray from the beginning.
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Thinking we may actually have pulled out 1 maybe 2 additional wins if Bray started from day 1.
 
#117
#117
GoBigOrangeVols said:
10/13 153 yards, TD 0 ints.

The first fumble was not his fault at all. The second was partially his fault for not controlling the ball while moving through traffic. Both were the result terrible blind side protection.

He would never have thrown that pick six. Many high school QBs would have been able to read the defense on that route.

All that said... Bray recovered well and played pretty good the rest of the way, however saying Simms takes too many sacks is like the pot calling the kettle black if you think Bray doesn't do the exact same thing. We don't have the line to protect for all the pass plays the moronic Jim Chaney calls throughout the course of a game.

I'm not saying Bray shouldn't play the rest of the season, all I'm saying is Simms was having a pretty gritty and good game, probably his best as a Vol, when he got benched.
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Welcome to the board, Mama Simms!
 
#118
#118
GoBigOrangeVols said:
10/13 153 yards, TD 0 ints.

The first fumble was not his fault at all. The second was partially his fault for not controlling the ball while moving through traffic. Both were the result terrible blind side protection.

He would never have thrown that pick six. Many high school QBs would have been able to read the defense on that route.

All that said... Bray recovered well and played pretty good the rest of the way, however saying Simms takes too many sacks is like the pot calling the kettle black if you think Bray doesn't do the exact same thing. We don't have the line to protect for all the pass plays the moronic Jim Chaney calls throughout the course of a game.

I'm not saying Bray shouldn't play the rest of the season, all I'm saying is Simms was having a pretty gritty and good game, probably his best as a Vol, when he got benched.
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He threw that exact same pick against oregon.....For 6 points.
 
#119
#119
Everyone, including myself, seems to think that we dont have a legit chance until 2012. Honestly, i will say that seems fair enough. Now ask yourself this. Do you want Bray coming in 2012 never having started a college football game in the SEC? Do you want Bray coming in with the experience of our O-Linemen right now? NONONONO. You want him on the same page as the rest of the offense. I do agree it sucks for Simms because he had 2 years left when he came to TN. Hes using 1 to split time with a freshman, and next year he will be the signal caller. But its not like its the first time its happened in the history of college football.
 
#120
#120
coach799 said:
Welcome to the board, Mama Simms!
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pretty sure I've been around here longer than you bud.

You guys are still looking at this thing retrospectively.

Bray was awful before he went in yesterday. Simms gave us the best chance to win the game when we were down 17-10. By putting Bray in we conceded defeat.

I'm just as glad as anyone that Bray played well, and I'm all for him getting plenty of time for the rest of the season, but to that point in the game yesterday, Simms was by far the better quarterback and had played his best game of the season. I think we had a real shot at winning the game if Bray doesn't come in.
 
#121
#121
GoBigOrangeVols said:
show me where I've ever bashed CDD. I'm very much behind him as Head Coach. That doesn't mean I won't question a move I disagree with.

There is only one coach on the staff that deserves bashing. He knows who he is.
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Last week your post was, he doesn't run on first down.
This week he ran the ball on first down about 90% of the time.
So what's your beef with him this week?
 
#122
#122
Simms throw to Luke Stocker was impressive, but he was wide open. The throw Bray made in the center of the field for a touchdown, in double coverage, was a rocket with grease on it and all the receiver (can't remember who) had to do was put his hands out and make the catch. Plus under pressure. The TV announcers were really complimentary of Bray.

There may have been some comments made yesterday, but, Dooley is the boss, let him coach. If Simms shot his mouth off, he did just what I would do, but........our O line could give the guy a little more time once in a while.
 
#123
#123
Now granted I agree that pick six was terrible, to say sims wouldn't have thrown it is silly. You don't know where he would have thrown the ball and if you've watched any other tenn football games this year you'd know he has thrown more than one terrible pick six.
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#124
#124
salsahound said:
Simms throw to Luke Stocker was impressive, but he was wide open. The throw Bray made in the center of the field for a touchdown, in double coverage, was a rocket with grease on it and all the receiver (can't remember who) had to do was put his hands out and make the catch. Plus under pressure. The TV announcers were really complimentary of Bray.

There may have been some comments made yesterday, but, Dooley is the boss, let him coach. If Simms shot his mouth off, he did just what I would do, but........our O line could give the guy a little more time once in a while.
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Simms was late on the pass to Stocker, but Luke ran a good route and made up for the late throw.
 
#125
#125
calban said:
Last week your post was, he doesn't run on first down.
This week he ran the ball on first down about 90% of the time.
So what's your beef with him this week?
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I actually don't have a huge beef with him this week, which is why I didn't resurrect my thread from last week.

One decently called game does not an offensive coordinator make though.

Rest assured, if he fouls up another game like he did UGA, Bama, and LSU and almost UAB I will be back on him with vengeance.
 
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