Sidewalk alumni necks

I have no problem with sidewalk alumni, the more the merrier. That is, right up until they start trying to weigh in on how the athletic department spends money or its relationship to the academic side of things.

First off, I am an alumni of the University. Although I'm not a Tennessee Resident, I am a taxpayer and do may frequent trips to Knoxville and pay taxes there on everything I purchase.

That said if this remark means what I think it means, then yes, I am offended by it. I'm assuming it means you think that nobody other than an alumni of the University of Tennessee should be able to weigh in on the Football program or the management of it or the costs and expenses associated with it. Frankly, you are wrong.

The University of Tennessee Football program is owned by a public owned university not a private enterprise. The University of Tennessee receives funds from the State Government, Federal Government, and I assume in some minor capacity the city and county governments. As a taxpaying citizen I feel like I am part owner in ANY government owned entity that spends my tax dollars. As an owner of those entities I feel like I have to right to express my opinion good or bad of their operation and expenditures of my money.

I frankly don't give a wit how the Athletic Department thinks it gets it's money and where they think they are allowed to spend it. I understand that until the University of Tennessee Athletic Department becomes a privately owned corporation apart from the University and the Government I and the rest of the taxpayers ought to be able to voice opinions on it's operation at will and use our political representatives to correct problems we see with the operation of said department.

As is, every time a game is played in Knoxville the taxpayers are out some significant expense. I don't imagine that any of the hundreds of police officers out directing traffic, handling drunks, working accidents, or whatever are doing so free of charge. I'm pretty sure we are out some money. There's ambulance services, fire services, bus services, street sweeping, litter pick up, homeland security, and the list grows from there. Heck, even the TWRA spends sportsman's dollars patrolling the river for the Vol Navy.

I understand that some taxpayers make money off these games (those that own restaurants, motels, etc). Those that are making money off the games likely want their voice heard regarding some decisions. For example it may be more advantageous for motels for the games to be evening games than the 11:30 am game. It's not necessary that these taxpayers be graduates of the University. I'm sure they donate heavily for the right to have a voice in the process.

As for a lot of us, looking at an Athletic Department and it's CEO that spent untold millions to dispose of Phillip Fulmer after affording him a contract that left the department with absolutely no leverage in the deal, then turn around and let Kiffin and Co take advantage of the department financially again, and then turn around and contract with a 3rd coach in 3 years at 4 times his previous salary when half that amount of money would likely have gotten him, Yes, I'd say it is past time for the taxpayers to step in and say "Wait just a minute, what are you doing with OUR money." See, when it's a public owned corporation, it's not the Corporation's money, it's the Public's Money and that's me and every other John Q Taxpayer.

If they Athletic department are so overrun with money that it can afford multi million dollar management mistakes every year, It might be that the profits from the Athletic Department ought to be going into the Education Department to reduce their increasing demand for more tax dollars from Us, Johnny Q Taxpayers.

I know that since you are either a current student or alumni you must surely have taken some Economics courses. The problem is real world economics and the economics of Government are 2 different thing. In the real world when the till gets below the 0 you have to either borrow money and actually pay it back or go out of business. In the Government world you just borrow money and when the interest on the borrowed money gets to be more than the current income you borrow more money to cover the interest until you tick of all your creditors and WWIII starts. Pay attention to the Real World because the Government version isn't working out very well at the moment.
 
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The UTAD is completely self-sufficient. A good chunk of that money is from the Haslam family. Hamilton used a Haslam family jet instead of a UT jet when he was doing certain interviews. So that throws 85% of your points straight out the window. Not even the student-athletes are a drain on taxpayers and in fact the UTAD/Tennessee Fund contributes significant funds to non-athletic scholarships.

Might want to read up on this:
Tennessee Fund

And point of note for everyone: If you're a donor with the Tennessee Fund, you have every right (alumni/graduate or not) to weigh in on what you think about the UTAD and how it should be run as it's a completely self-sufficient entity... that relies on the contributions of it's donors.
 
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I am constantly amazed at the number of people who do not realize that

Because that's not the case at most schools in the country and people would rather assume instead of doing research and looking before they leap.

I think only the 2 UTs and Ohio State are 100% self-sufficient. In fact... I'd put that at 115% self-sufficient considering how much of the UTAD's revenue goes directly to support purely Academic scholarships.
 
The UTAD is completely self-sufficient.

That in itself is Government Economics. The fact that 1 segment of a government entity is self sufficient when the rest of the pieces of that entity burn through cash like it's cold and there's nothing else to generate heat with is exactly what I'm talking about.

We have that same argument around here all the time. Our local jail says, "We are self Sufficient" the money brought in from state prisoners pays the bills. BS. The Jail is part of the county government and the county government is as far from being self sufficient as it possibly could be otherwise they wouldn't be raising property taxes every year to pay the county's expenses. Besides, just how in the heck do they suppose the state gets it's money to send the county to pay for the prisoners.

There is no such thing as a publicly owned entity being self sufficient I don't care what the management of that entity says. If there were we wouldn't be paying taxes. They are self sufficient because they tax us one way or the other to get money to operate. You may not be grown up enough to realize it yet, but one day you will. It's like those Democrat puppies. Eventually they get old enough to open their eyes.
 
They are self sufficient because they tax us one way or the other to get money to operate.

please show us where the UTAD is receiving public funds. Shouldn't be so tough if it's as obvious as you claim. Or maybe you consider tickets to be a tax
 
I'm pretty sure printed on the tickets it says "all taxes included". If that's the case, then its a tax on a tax.

UTAD and the University of Tennessee are connected by name only. Period.
 
This is a bad day for me. I'm an alumni, but not a graduate so I can't be a fan. Despite the fact that I'm a donor.

Now I'm "not old enough to understand" how it works. How old do I have to be?
 
So, let me get this right... you're a bigger supporter of UT than Eric Berry?

Universities have a prominent and in some cases very pervasive regional impact. To try to disparage a person's appreciation of and support for a school simply because they didn't graduate from that institution is completely asinine to say the least.

Correcting your grammar was simply a message that if you're going to be a patronizing idiot (at best) you should not leave glaring loose ends in your ability to form proper sentences.

Until Berry graduates...Yes I am

Correcting my grammar incorrectly shows me two things: (1) you had no other argument and (2) you struggle with correcting grammar.

HIERARCHY OF FANDOM:

1.) Alumni who both played and coach(ed) at their alma mater;
2.) Alumni who played at their alma mater;
3.) Alumni who work(ed) for the athletic department of their alma mater;
4.) All other alumni; and
5.) Everyone else who wants to be a fan.
 
Until Berry graduates...Yes I am

Correcting my grammar incorrectly shows me two things: (1) you had no other argument and (2) you struggle with correcting grammar.

HIERARCHY OF FANDOM:

1.) Alumni who both played and coach(ed) at their alma mater;
2.) Alumni who played at their alma mater;
3.) Alumni who work(ed) for the athletic department of their alma mater;
4.) All other alumni; and
5.) Everyone else who wants to be a fan.

Have you worked for the UTAD?
 
and i think you are confused about the definition of alumnus/i. An alumnus is a graduate.

And you're confused about what a dictionary is for:

alumni - definition of alumni by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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Alumni - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

1 : a person who has attended or has graduated from a particular school, college, or university

Alumnus | Define Alumnus at Dictionary.com

1. a graduate or former student of a specific school, college, or university.


The door? Open it for me. Also, a Diploma is a technical certification or misnomer for Degree. While it is commonly interchanged... a Diploma and Degree are not the same. I think you've been meaning to say Bachelor's Degree this time... but who knows what you actually are going for.
 
Until Berry graduates...Yes I am

Correcting my grammar incorrectly shows me two things: (1) you had no other argument and (2) you struggle with correcting grammar.

HIERARCHY OF FANDOM:

1.) Alumni who both played and coach(ed) at their alma mater;
2.) Alumni who played at their alma mater;
3.) Alumni who work(ed) for the athletic department of their alma mater;
4.) All other alumni; and
5.) Everyone else who wants to be a fan.

Can you come to my tailgate this year and explain this to the people in my lot. They should know that they are not fans like you.
 
Until Berry graduates...Yes I am

Correcting my grammar incorrectly shows me two things: (1) you had no other argument and (2) you struggle with correcting grammar.

HIERARCHY OF FANDOM:

1.) Alumni who both played and coach(ed) at their alma mater;
2.) Alumni who played at their alma mater;
3.) Alumni who work(ed) for the athletic department of their alma mater;
4.) All other alumni; and
5.) Everyone else who wants to be a fan.
come over to Robertson county and explain this to the rest of my sidewalk friends lol
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I'm pretty sure printed on the tickets it says "all taxes included". If that's the case, then its a tax on a tax.

UTAD and the University of Tennessee are connected by name only. Period.

I'm real certain that the University of Tennessee is a land grant institution created by the Morrill Act of 1862. It was paid for and funded by Federal Government Money. The fact is it continues to be funded by Federal Government, State Government, and local government money and will continue to be so funded in the foreseeable future.

The Athletic Department is a division of the University itself. If that's not the case then the Football and Basketball team have 0 to do with the University and that is not the case. It is a sub part of the whole University. If they University were a profitable operation it would be paying dividends to the stockholders (taxpayers). The fact is, as a whole, the University is not profitable and we continue to pay taxes to support it.

If you look at a car dealership for instance and note that selling new cars is not profitable, the shop that does the warranty work is about break even, and the shop that does body work is profitable. For the Car Dealership to stay afloat, the Body Shop has to make up the loss on selling new cars or the dealership goes out of business. In UT's case, if the Athletic Department is profitable but wastes it's money it isn't helping the part of the University that's not profitable (the Education department for instance) is it helping the operation as a whole? No.

If you think the Haslam's are donating money to the University to blow on coaches for the fun of it you are more foolish than I would have thought, they do so hoping you'll buy Pilot fuel and they'll make more money off the increased fuel sales than they donated.

The fact is there are a lot of people who have a financial interest in a strong football program. Make no mistake, it's a tourist attraction. It's no different than any of dozens of other tourist attractions promoted in the area that bring people to town to spend money. Without the promise of those people coming to town to spend money and those businesses willing to donate money in hopes of increased sales the Athletic Department would indeed not be Profitable. See most other schools.

The fact is, nobody with any business sense at all can justify the poor management of the department in the last few years. 1 sided contracts, overpayment of employees, micromanaging affairs of department heads (forcing Fulmer to hire Dave Clawson), long list.

Just a guess, but by judging what's going on in other sports (NFL, Nascar) the economic situation of today is dictating that money be better managed that what has been done at UT recently. The Athletic Department spends money like there is no end to the supply. If the economic impact of games drops 50% this season, the supply might not end, but the flow might become a trickle of what it used to be.
 
Three simple words - You are wrong

Again, if you "believe" the department accepts federal/state/local money, then give some proof.

And that'll be all we heard from you because you cannot.
 
Well I know I am considered a "dirt-road alumni" because I haven't attended UT. Perhaps a sidewalk alumni neck is cross between an AL redneck and someone who just stands on the sidewalk wishing they could attend.
 
I'm real certain that the University of Tennessee is a land grant institution created by the Morrill Act of 1862. It was paid for and funded by Federal Government Money. The fact is it continues to be funded by Federal Government, State Government, and local government money and will continue to be so funded in the foreseeable future.

The Athletic Department is a division of the University itself. If that's not the case then the Football and Basketball team have 0 to do with the University and that is not the case. It is a sub part of the whole University. If they University were a profitable operation it would be paying dividends to the stockholders (taxpayers). The fact is, as a whole, the University is not profitable and we continue to pay taxes to support it.

If you look at a car dealership for instance and note that selling new cars is not profitable, the shop that does the warranty work is about break even, and the shop that does body work is profitable. For the Car Dealership to stay afloat, the Body Shop has to make up the loss on selling new cars or the dealership goes out of business. In UT's case, if the Athletic Department is profitable but wastes it's money it isn't helping the part of the University that's not profitable (the Education department for instance) is it helping the operation as a whole? No.

If you think the Haslam's are donating money to the University to blow on coaches for the fun of it you are more foolish than I would have thought, they do so hoping you'll buy Pilot fuel and they'll make more money off the increased fuel sales than they donated.

The fact is there are a lot of people who have a financial interest in a strong football program. Make no mistake, it's a tourist attraction. It's no different than any of dozens of other tourist attractions promoted in the area that bring people to town to spend money. Without the promise of those people coming to town to spend money and those businesses willing to donate money in hopes of increased sales the Athletic Department would indeed not be Profitable. See most other schools.

The fact is, nobody with any business sense at all can justify the poor management of the department in the last few years. 1 sided contracts, overpayment of employees, micromanaging affairs of department heads (forcing Fulmer to hire Dave Clawson), long list.

Just a guess, but by judging what's going on in other sports (NFL, Nascar) the economic situation of today is dictating that money be better managed that what has been done at UT recently. The Athletic Department spends money like there is no end to the supply. If the economic impact of games drops 50% this season, the supply might not end, but the flow might become a trickle of what it used to be.

Here, hard head.

How can the University afford to pay high salaries to football and basketball coaches in Knoxville?

The athletics department at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, receives no state funding, and its budget is separate from the academic budget. No tax dollars are involved in the UT Knoxville athletics budget. The athletics department operates in a highly competitive environment and makes decisions in consideration of competition at the highest levels while maintaining profitability.

The athletics department demonstrates its support of the University and the community through a variety of ways. Last year, the athletics program contributed more than $26.4 million to the University. For instance, athletics gave $1.4 million for scholarships for non-athletes and $1.1 million in debt service to parking garages on campus. In addition, athletics spent $7.5 million on scholarships for student-athletes and $9.2 million on facilities and utilities. Over the next 15 years, athletics has committed to providing $1 million each year from the Southeastern Conference television contract to the UT Knoxville campus for the Student Success Center, the Tennessee Teaching and Learning Center and graduate student assistantships.

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sip on that
 

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