Shrout in QB Mix for 2018 per Helton

[sjt18]

JG and Wm have both already shown outstanding leadership so I fail to see how he would be able to come in and do better in that category. Or instill more confidence in teammates.

You are still delusional. JG's attitude "improved" once he got his way. Before that... he sulked and had a bad attitude.

If the evidence of "leadership" is team play... there's no case to be made that either is a proven leader.

I doubt that a guy that completed 51% in high school and a 1/1 td int ratio is going to be anywhere near as accurate or consistent as the more experienced qb that was 62% on the year and 65% vs SEC teams.

Yeah. I'm sure he can't throw screen passes and one read routes....

If he does all these things that have a 1% chance of happening then of course he should absolutely be in the mix.

Your hero worship is worth noting.... but the QB position at UT is FAR from settled. JG previously failed to put in the work to win the job though we'd both agree he had more raw talent. It is NOT evident that he was ever accepted as the team's leader. He has A LOT of ground to make up to earn universal respect on the team.

He has to learn a new system after he didn't learn the old one in almost two years beyond the basics. The new system will require MORE reads and better decisions... one of which is not to hold the ball until a sack bails you out.

He has the arm... but his heart and head are still very much in question. A new staff could decide very quickly to invest in the future rather than trying to "fix" someone with those problems.

 

[orange parmejohn]

You are still delusional. JG's attitude "improved" once he got his way. Before that... he sulked and had a bad attitude.

If the evidence of "leadership" is team play... there's no case to be made that either is a proven leader.

Yeah. I'm sure he can't throw screen passes and one read routes....



Your hero worship is worth noting.... but the QB position at UT is FAR from settled. JG previously failed to put in the work to win the job though we'd both agree he had more raw talent. It is NOT evident that he was ever accepted as the team's leader. He has A LOT of ground to make up to earn universal respect on the team.

He has to learn a new system after he didn't learn the old one in almost two years beyond the basics. The new system will require MORE reads and better decisions... one of which is not to hold the ball until a sack bails you out.

He has the arm... but his heart and head are still very much in question. A new staff could decide very quickly to invest in the future rather than trying to "fix" someone with those problems.

You think a new staff will come in and ditch a potentially talented qb for a true freshman, just because he sulked in a game last year because he was lied to by the previous head coach?

 

[UT-Rex]

No. Some need a few years to learn and also develop physically. Like Shrout.

You really think a high school qb with one year starting in high school, not arriving until fall, who completed 51% for 27tds/25ints
should be in the mix to start at qb for UT?:blink:

A 17 yr old, actual hs senior-equiv at SCe beat us 2 years ago; a freshman qb at Georgia beat us last year (and their other then-fresh qb practically beat us the year before) -- whoever shall be the starter, Coaching will hopefully do this program wonders.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

You think a new staff will come in and ditch a potentially talented qb for a true freshman, just because he sulked in a game last year because he was lied to by the previous head coach?

I think the staff is going to come in and evaluate who they have. Teach all of the QBs the new system and determine who gives them the best chance to win.

The current coaches weren't there when he sulked, and they were not the ones who lied to him. All of that doesn't matter one bit. The only thing that matters is who ends up winning the job.

Right now, there's just no way at all to know who has the greatest capacity to adapt to the new system. You can offer educated guesses, but that's all they would be.

 

[k-town_king]

A 17 yr old, actual hs senior-equiv at SCe beat us 2 years ago; a freshman qb at Georgia beat us last year (and their other then-fresh qb practically beat us the year before) -- whoever shall be the starter, Coaching will hopefully do this program wonders.

Bentley was older than most freshmen. He wasn't 17. He was held back for sports then moved back to his correct class.

UGA had a great team. JG had almost as many 200 yard games as Fromm starting a third of the games with a worse team and coaching.

 

[sjt18]

You think a new staff will come in and ditch a potentially talented qb for a true freshman, just because he sulked in a game last year because he was lied to by the previous head coach?

No. I think exactly what I've said. If JG doesn't get his head and heart right... and his ego in check... then the staff may decide he isn't worth the work when their future QB is someone else.

JG has tremendous physical tools. If he overcomes his other issues and is coachable then he could become as good as anyone UT has ever had. But those things are problems... and problems a new coach isn't likely to spend much time dealing with on someone else's recruit.

 

[k-town_king]

You are still delusional. JG's attitude "improved" once he got his way. Before that... he sulked and had a bad attitude.

If the evidence of "leadership" is team play... there's no case to be made that either is a proven leader.

Yeah. I'm sure he can't throw screen passes and one read routes....



Your hero worship is worth noting.... but the QB position at UT is FAR from settled. JG previously failed to put in the work to win the job though we'd both agree he had more raw talent. It is NOT evident that he was ever accepted as the team's leader. He has A LOT of ground to make up to earn universal respect on the team.

He has to learn a new system after he didn't learn the old one in almost two years beyond the basics. The new system will require MORE reads and better decisions... one of which is not to hold the ball until a sack bails you out.

He has the arm... but his heart and head are still very much in question. A new staff could decide very quickly to invest in the future rather than trying to "fix" someone with those problems.

I see you recovered enough from being wrong once again to pop up. You sure you want to argue qbs with me again?

JG played tough and it was clear the team responded to him. He stepped up as a leader and took responsibility. He also obviously learned from his early season mistakes.

Stop lying about the offense he ran. The first two games were conservative. After that he ran more deep plays than Dormady. His last four games he was over 9 ypa. He ran everything QD did, but better.

Shrout isn't "the future" most likely. We are recruiting the number 1 ps qb for next year. We will bring in a big time qb to back up JG for a year or two or overtake him.

 

[sjt18]

I see you recovered enough from being wrong once again to pop up. You sure you want to argue qbs with me again?

Considering the sum total of your "knowledge" of the subject is this man crush you have on JG... To call what we've done "arguing" gives you far too much credit.

JG played tough and it was clear the team responded to him. He stepped up as a leader and took responsibility. He also obviously learned from his early season mistakes.

They responded to him by losing each game he started except for a closer than it should have been win over USM...

Stop lying about the offense he ran. The first two games were conservative. After that he ran more deep plays than Dormady. His last four games he was over 9 ypa. He ran everything QD did, but better.

Not lying. His stats were badly skewed by some desperation drives against prevent D's. Try actually watching the games without your love goggles on.

Dormady no longer plays for UT. Wish he did... but he doesn't. He didn't have the raw talent JG had. Yet he became the starter. He put in the work. He prepared mentally as well. Kelly who WAS the team leader recognized Dormady as the leader of the O BEFORE the season. He was liked and respected and followed.

Players don't respond to guys who act like JG did. They want someone who leads and supports the team when they don't get what they want.

Shrout isn't "the future" most likely. We are recruiting the number 1 ps qb for next year. We will bring in a big time qb to back up JG for a year or two or overtake him.

Maybe. But JG still has a long, long way to go before having the head and heart to be the present or future. He has physical talent. He throws a beautiful ball. But after 2 years in Jones' system... he couldn't run it. Now he's facing Helton's more demanding system where he not only has to know it... he has to be able to call his own plays part of the time.

I HOPE he was just too immature to put in the work. Some guys don't have the mental ability to process information and make the right decision in that situation. If not... then he's probably not the starter and UT is probably screwed unless Shrout really is ready to play. McBride isn't the answer.

 

[Vol8188]

I see you recovered enough from being wrong once again to pop up. You sure you want to argue qbs with me again?

JG played tough and it was clear the team responded to him. He stepped up as a leader and took responsibility. He also obviously learned from his early season mistakes.

Stop lying about the offense he ran. The first two games were conservative. After that he ran more deep plays than Dormady. His last four games he was over 9 ypa. He ran everything QD did, but better.

Shrout isn't "the future" most likely. We are recruiting the number 1 ps qb for next year. We will bring in a big time qb to back up JG for a year or two or overtake him.

Which of our blowouts made it clear to you that the team responded to JG?

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

All the recruiting experience suggests that JG should win the job hands down. He should out-talent Shrout. But Iam pretty sure Helton's system is more mental than Butch's,so that may level the playing field for Shrout.

 

[Pacer92]

Considering the sum total of your "knowledge" of the subject is this man crush you have on JG... To call what we've done "arguing" gives you far too much credit.

They responded to him by losing each game he started except for a closer than it should have been win over USM...

Not lying. His stats were badly skewed by some desperation drives against prevent D's. Try actually watching the games without your love goggles on.

Dormady no longer plays for UT. Wish he did... but he doesn't. He didn't have the raw talent JG had. Yet he became the starter. He put in the work. He prepared mentally as well. Kelly who WAS the team leader recognized Dormady as the leader of the O BEFORE the season. He was liked and respected and followed.

Players don't respond to guys who act like JG did. They want someone who leads and supports the team when they don't get what they want.



Maybe. But JG still has a long, long way to go before having the head and heart to be the present or future. He has physical talent. He throws a beautiful ball. But after 2 years in Jones' system... he couldn't run it. Now he's facing Helton's more demanding system where he not only has to know it... he has to be able to call his own plays part of the time.

I HOPE he was just too immature to put in the work. Some guys don't have the mental ability to process information and make the right decision in that situation. If not... then he's probably not the starter and UT is probably screwed unless Shrout really is ready to play. McBride isn't the answer.

True...and what comes to mind is Jalen Hurts after the NC game. Sure, that was a blow to his pride and ego, but he handled himself in a mature way. JG has a ton of miles to go in this category...

I think Shrout will push JG when he arrives..jmo. And I hope it pushes JG to finally arrive, because he will be our best option in winning next year...

 

[#1ManningFan]

You think a new staff will come in and ditch a potentially talented qb for a true freshman, just because he sulked in a game last year because he was lied to by the previous head coach?

Yes. Look around and you will see a lot of teams are going this route. Heck even the NFL isn't afraid to start a rookie. Play the best player regardless of experience.

 

[GAVol]

Wasn’t he a redshirt freshman? Dobbs was a true freshman and played behind a lackluster line and showed promise. JG did not lead a touchdown drive in the whole month of October and you idgets admire what? Is visor, his tats, his arm on missed throws. His demeanor when he didn’t get his way. Jennings is one of our truest competitors and he didn’t want any part of Whiney breaches being the qb. We will be lucky to win a SEC game next year.

Josh Dobbs looked rough throwing the ball his freshman year.

 

[QuickSmurf]

You are still delusional. JG's attitude "improved" once he got his way. Before that... he sulked and had a bad attitude.

If the evidence of "leadership" is team play... there's no case to be made that either is a proven leader.

Yeah. I'm sure he can't throw screen passes and one read routes....



Your hero worship is worth noting.... but the QB position at UT is FAR from settled. JG previously failed to put in the work to win the job though we'd both agree he had more raw talent. It is NOT evident that he was ever accepted as the team's leader. He has A LOT of ground to make up to earn universal respect on the team.

He has to learn a new system after he didn't learn the old one in almost two years beyond the basics. The new system will require MORE reads and better decisions... one of which is not to hold the ball until a sack bails you out.

He has the arm... but his heart and head are still very much in question. A new staff could decide very quickly to invest in the future rather than trying to "fix" someone with those problems.

Lol

 

[johnrlansford]

No. I think exactly what I've said. If JG doesn't get his head and heart right... and his ego in check... then the staff may decide he isn't worth the work when their future QB is someone else.

JG has tremendous physical tools. If he overcomes his other issues and is coachable then he could become as good as anyone UT has ever had. But those things are problems... and problems a new coach isn't likely to spend much time dealing with on someone else's recruit.

Your failure to admit that Dormady wasn't a very good QB is boxing you into a corner that is very critical of Guarantano to support your narrative.

JG was a universal leader and if you had paid any attention to the sidelines after the GT game you would have seen that. He played better than any other QB on the roster considering all of the injusries he had on the team verses the team fielded for Dormady.

Guarantano also played the touoghest stretch of schedule than any other QB on the Roster.

I am not saying that JG is the answer at QB, but he is the proven leader at the QB position as of right now. Dormady knew that or else he would still be at Tennessee competing for the starting job with the new staff that many uneducated fans would think that he fits better than JG.

Bottom line is no one knows who will start at QB for Tennessee against WV but to act like Guarantano has issues on the team because of his attitude, is absolutely false!

You want to crucify a kid who was lied too, for showing emotion on the sidelines during a game, More emotion than Dormady showed in 3 years on campus. I'll take a kid who wears his emotions on his sleeve any day over a kid who shows none, everyday of the week.

Say it with me please, You were wrong about Dormady and you will feel a lot better rather than living in denial for the rest of the time Guarantano is on campus!

 

[TexasVolfan1]

Considering the sum total of your "knowledge" of the subject is this man crush you have on JG... To call what we've done "arguing" gives you far too much credit.

They responded to him by losing each game he started except for a closer than it should have been win over USM...

Not lying. His stats were badly skewed by some desperation drives against prevent D's. Try actually watching the games without your love goggles on.

Dormady no longer plays for UT. Wish he did... but he doesn't. He didn't have the raw talent JG had. Yet he became the starter. He put in the work. He prepared mentally as well. Kelly who WAS the team leader recognized Dormady as the leader of the O BEFORE the season. He was liked and respected and followed.

Players don't respond to guys who act like JG did. They want someone who leads and supports the team when they don't get what they want.



Maybe. But JG still has a long, long way to go before having the head and heart to be the present or future. He has physical talent. He throws a beautiful ball. But after 2 years in Jones' system... he couldn't run it. Now he's facing Helton's more demanding system where he not only has to know it... he has to be able to call his own plays part of the time.

I HOPE he was just too immature to put in the work. Some guys don't have the mental ability to process information and make the right decision in that situation. If not... then he's probably not the starter and UT is probably screwed unless Shrout really is ready to play. McBride isn't the answer.

Has it occurred to you that maybe the system was really bad and only Dobbs was able to do somewhat well under butch? Even Dobbs struggled quite a bit at times. If anything JG seemed like the most mature QB we had on the roster last year, you always act like he’s the one who abandoned his team midseason and not your boy Dormady

 

[orange parmejohn]

No. I think exactly what I've said. If JG doesn't get his head and heart right... and his ego in check... then the staff may decide he isn't worth the work when their future QB is someone else.

JG has tremendous physical tools. If he overcomes his other issues and is coachable then he could become as good as anyone UT has ever had. But those things are problems... and problems a new coach isn't likely to spend much time dealing with on someone else's recruit.

Where are you getting that JG has all of these character issues?

 

[TexasVolfan1]

From the 15 seconds he saw on the TV in the Georgia Tech game

 

[orange parmejohn]

Yes. Look around and you will see a lot of teams are going this route. Heck even the NFL isn't afraid to start a rookie. Play the best player regardless of experience.

I didn't say anything about the best player. I asked about the staff passing on a good qb because the fans didn't like his sideline body language in one game last year. The same guy that came out and took a beating behind a junk O line.

 

[GVol1966]

That tells me they think the upperclassmen suck

That tells me that this staff might actually wait and see who wins the job by their play

 

[DiderotsGhost]

From the 15 seconds he saw on the TV in the Georgia Tech game

It is pretty ridiculous.

The entire "character case" against JG is that some dumb pot-stirring media people filmed him at a bad moment during the GT game and then ran with it. They claimed to be able to read his inner-most thoughts by watching him walking around on the sidelines. Surely he was unhappy with his role, the mind-readers at ESPN told us.

It's so ridiculously stupid. JG has never said anything negative and he's been one of the most active recruiters on the team. He tries to help in the community. Yet, there are still morons convinced he's a "bad apple" because of 15 seconds of footage with some media idiots trying to spin a yarn about how he didn't care about the team based on 'the way he was walking.'

 

[Volle]

A spread QB like JG doesn’t fit Pruitt’s pro-set system.... we’ll see if he can adapt... if I were betting, I’d put money on Shrout, and JG transferring out after spring practice.

 

[orange parmejohn]

It is pretty ridiculous.

The entire "character case" against JG is that some dumb pot-stirring media people filmed him at a bad moment during the GT game and then ran with it. They claimed to be able to read his inner-most thoughts by watching him walking around on the sidelines. Surely he was unhappy with his role, the mind-readers at ESPN told us.

It's so ridiculously stupid. JG has never said anything negative and he's been one of the most active recruiters on the team. He tries to help in the community. Yet, there are still morons convinced he's a "bad apple" because of 15 seconds of footage with some media idiots trying to spin a yarn about how he didn't care about the team based on 'the way he was walking.'

Well said.

 

[jakez4ut]

reading some of this debate on JG....and i'll just keep my thoughts to two things...

1. he was a RS freshman playing behind a bad O line, with skill position people that weren't the best, and the best WR out for the season. he didn't see things a veteran would from a pass protection and blitzing standpoint and at times he also looked like he had a very live arm, and good accuracy. in short, there was some good, more bad, and not ALL of the bad was his fault, but some of it was. JG was a mixed bag, and is definitely a ? heading in to this season.

2. as to the character issues....i'll just say this, after the USCe game, it wasn't one of his team mates that came and picked him up off the mat, it was Jacob Bentley. now i don't know one way or the other on what his team mates think of him, and how, or if, that has changed since then, but that told me a lot, at that time, about what people on that team may have thought of him.

none of that means, however, that's how it's going to be going forward.

we'll have to wait and see what happens.

 

[KCVolLaw]

A spread QB like JG doesn’t fit Pruitt’s pro-set system.... we’ll see if he can adapt... if I were betting, I’d put money on Shrout, and JG transferring out after spring practice.

JG has a cannon, and he’s really not shown a tremendous ability to run anyway. He will never be Dobbs in the run game. He fits what’s Pruitt wants in a QB. Shrout will not be winning a job over him unless he’s the second coming of Peyton. I think we all will like JG a lot when his time is done here.