Shroud Of Turin: New Evidence.

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orangeblooded2

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Anyone check out the new History Channel 2 hour show on this.

Supposedly the most accurate depiction of Christ ever. Highly recommend this to anyone who believes or not. They still do not know what energy source other than some type of radiation, that made or is responsible for the Image.

No link available that is showing the full frontal image as of yet. Either watch the show or check links as the day goes on.




The Real Face of Jesus? — History.com TV Episodes, Schedule, & Video



Shroud of Turin reveals face of Jesus, History Channel computer artists claim | Mail Online


The face in the Shroud - Cosmic Log - msnbc.com


Thoughts.......
 
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The thing only dates to be 1000 years old. It's just a hoax run amuck for a millenia.
 
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Last I heard, it didn't. Also, the "markings" were originally painted on, according to spectroanalysis.
 
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IPorange said:
The thing only dates to be 1000 years old. It's just a hoax run amuck for a millenia.
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It would seem to me that dating a piece of fabric would be fairly difficult for a number of reasons, through in the fact that it was damaged by fire at some and it would make it even more difficult. I'm not sure I would trust the dating one way or the other.
 
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IPorange said:
Last I heard, it didn't. Also, the "markings" were originally painted on, according to spectroanalysis.
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There have been many experts disagree on many different aspects of the Turin shroud. So much so that at best I think you call the tests inconclusive. It will be interesting to see what new info, if any, comes from this show.
 
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i didn't get to see the whole thing, but i did watch a good bit of it. do i think it's Jesus? no clue, do i find it interesting? Yes. The show told how they did it. some of NASA's technology was used
 
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IPorange said:
The thing only dates to be 1000 years old. It's just a hoax run amuck for a millenia.
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That is my opinion too.

Down in the comments section of the msnbc article a poster summed up my opinion that those who are of the belief that it is an image of Jesus start with the opinion that it is real and work backwards at angles that conceivably back up that opinion.

Also,if the carbon dating is in fact off by 12 or 1300 years, what is to say that the imprint is that of Christ anyhow?
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i agree in the fact that i'm not convinced it is Jesus. it might be, it might not be, I can't say. However its still interesting
 
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It's important to remember the context in which the Shroud was "discovered." During the middle ages, every church in Europe worth anything wanted a holy relic from the Holy Land. There were literally dozens of random objects and trinkets that were all claimed to be somehow connected Biblical events, almost like roadside attractions. The Shroud was one of them. It just surfaced in the middle ages, as the burial shroud of Christ... And coincidentally, pieces of the cross surfaced all over Europe in other churches, and so did a bunch of other objects, which is pretty amazing since all the events of Jesus' life and death occurred thousands of miles away.

It just doesn't add up.
 
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well, with all the events that occured during Roman occupation, etc etc it is very possible for this stuff to get into europe or wherever else
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
well, with all the events that occured during Roman occupation, etc etc it is very possible for this stuff to get into europe or wherever else
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But who would care, for at least 300 years? A burial shroud lasts 300 years in a tomb filled with bodies (even assuming that Jesus is who most of you think he is, and wasn't there long enough to do any real decomposing himself which would certainly ruin the shroud), is recognized as being that of Jesus' when we know he wasn't even placed in his own family's tomb, and transported without being damaged all the way to Northern Italy of all places? Not Rome, the seat of Christianity at the time?

Eh.
 
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IPorange said:
But who would care, for at least 300 years? A burial shroud lasts 300 years in a tomb filled with bodies (even assuming that Jesus is who most of you think he is, and wasn't there long enough to do any real decomposing himself which would certainly ruin the shroud), is recognized as being that of Jesus' when we know he wasn't even placed in his own family's tomb, and transported without being damaged all the way to Northern Italy of all places? Not Rome, the seat of Christianity at the time?

Eh.
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why not?

I dont know that if it is or isnt. It is interesting for sure. Its not something to be so easily dismissed. However you are the top notch scientist in that field so, i see your point Mr. Scientist
 
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"...The idea that the Shroud of Turin had been mended in the area from which the carbon 14 samples had been taken had been floating around for some time. But no one paid much attention. In 1998, Turin’s scientific adviser, Piero Savarino, suggested, “extraneous substances found on the samples and the presence of extraneous thread (left over from ‘invisible mending’ routinely carried on in the past on parts of the cloth in poor repair)” might have accounted for an error in the carbon 14 dating. Longtime shroud researchers Sue Benford and Joe Marino independently developed the same idea and explored it with several textile experts and Ronald Hatfield of the radiocarbon dating firm Beta Analytic. The art of invisible reweaving, Benford and Marino discovered, was commonly used in the Middle Ages to repair tapestries. Why not the shroud, they thought? They believed they saw evidence of it.

But the skeptically minded Rogers did not agree. He had already debunked every other argument so far offered to explain why the carbon 14 dating might be wrong. According to Ball, “Rogers thought that he would be able to ‘disprove [the mending] theory in five minutes’.” Instead he found clear evidence of discreet mending. He also showed, with chemistry, that the shroud was at least thirteen hundred years old. And he proved, beyond any doubt, that the sample used in 1988 was chemically unlike the rest of the shroud. The samples were invalid. The 1988 tests were thus meaningless.

-Good LINK on the subject
 
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The Carbon Dating that took place. Which dated the fabric at 1190 to 1310 or so was later proven to be a repaired area done in the same time frame as the dates. Different type of weave patterns and such.

What is truly interesting in all of this they have also proven that light is the only thing that could have created the image. Also that it could not have been created by diffused light or radial light (light bulb or laser). That the only conclusion is that it was created by some type of radiation. The show goes into this in some detail.

The technology used in the show is impressive and how it comes together is worth watching. even with the revive of the history of the shroud, which is after all a needed refresher course for those not up on the stories intricacies.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
why not?

I dont know that if it is or isnt. It is interesting for sure. Its not something to be so easily dismissed. However you are the top notch scientist in that field so, i see your point Mr. Scientist
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I am not in any way an expert on this. I'm just saying it is a lot to swallow, whether one is a Christian or not.

Is it physically possible (in the sense of the shroud arriving where it did, when it did)? Sure. it just seems highly unlikely. The face and body markings obviously can't even be explained, but I am not even harping on that because that is the whole point of it being a supernatural artifact. I do know that the blood stains were found to be a mixture of possibly blood as well as paint. That is understandable, as a caretaker of the shroud might touch it up as it faded, to keep it being impressive and believable to new viewers over the years.

I also remember that pollen analysis on the shroud (something that I actually am very knowledgeable about) was inconclusive, but that's not surprising. It had no types that showed as having been from the middle east, but that is quite possible given the limited sampling (you can't process the whole thing, you have destroy material to get the sample) and the fact that it has certainly been exposed to Italian/European air and thus pollen for at least the last 1000 years, and would thus be expected to be present in large amounts.

I am not saying I know it's fake and I apologize if I am coming across as being arrogant. I am just saying there isn't evidence that it is authentic, but rather a whole lot of inconclusive evidence that doesn't prove it fake.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
The Carbon Dating that took place. Which dated the fabric at 1190 to 1310 or so was later proven to be a repaired area done in the same time frame as the dates. Different type of weave patterns and such.

What is truly interesting in all of this they have also proven that light is the only thing that could have created the image. Also that it could not have been created by diffused light or radial light (light bulb or laser). That the only conclusion is that it was created by some type of radiation. The show goes into this in some detail.

The technology used in the show is impressive and how it comes together is worth watching. even with the revive of the history of the shroud, which is after all a needed refresher course for those not up on the stories intricacies.
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Can you elaborate on the radiation being proven to be the source?

"Radioactive Jesus" sounds like a good rock band name. But seriously "radiation" is a very general term.
 
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IPorange said:
I am not in any way an expert on this. I'm just saying it is a lot to swallow, whether one is a Christian or not.

Is it physically possible (in the sense of the shroud arriving where it did, when it did)? Sure. it just seems highly unlikely. The face and body markings obviously can't even be explained, but I am not even harping on that because that is the whole point of it being a supernatural artifact. I do know that the blood stains were found to be a mixture of possibly blood as well as paint. That is understandable, as a caretaker of the shroud might touch it up as it faded, to keep it being impressive and believable to new viewers over the years.

I also remember that pollen analysis on the shroud (something that I actually am very knowledgeable about) was inconclusive, but that's not surprising. It had no types that showed as having been from the middle east, but that is quite possible given the limited sampling (you can't process the whole thing, you have destroy material to get the sample) and the fact that it has certainly been exposed to Italian/European air and thus pollen for at least the last 1000 years, and would thus be expected to be present in large amounts.

I am not saying I know it's fake and I apologize if I am coming across as being arrogant. I am just saying there isn't evidence that it is authentic, but rather a whole lot of inconclusive evidence that doesn't prove it fake.
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Concerning The pollen.

This show directly contradicts that assessment. In fact it points out that a certain pollen from a Thorny flowered plant is indeed only found in only a 50 mile radius of Jerusalem. Citing the original evidence from 1978 and additional subsequent studies.
 
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IPorange said:
Can you elaborate on the radiation being proven to be the source?

"Radioactive Jesus" sounds like a good rock band name. But seriously "radiation" is a very general term.
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I would be lacking in the Attempt to explain. It is addressed in the show. Multiple facets of technology at play.
 
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