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#77
#77
VegasVol said:
Illegal substitution in that instance is a 5 yard penalty, not a 15 yard penalty, because they were not in the huddle and not in formation at the time of the snap.
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I glad there is at least one fan that actually knows the rules.:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
#78
#78
Someone's having trouble with the word 'participation'.

When a holder is on his knees waiting for the snap, he is participating.

Have a nice day.
 
#79
#79
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
I questioned this too. I will be honest though. I was at the game and it looked like the refs were going to make sure UNC won no matter what. It felt fixed. Not bad reffing. Fixed reffing.
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here's a conversation piece. Mike Hamilton paid $750,000 to take UNC off the 2011 and 2012 schedule. He then asked the MCB officials to invite UNC to play against us after we accepted the bowl bid to try and save face from the UT fans that hated his decision. UNC then happily accepted and put the $750,000 aside to pay the selected ref crew to assure them a victory.

just a thought :ermm:
 
#80
#80
My official answer when asked about the MSB and other Vol fans should say the same thing---Yes, we won 20-17. The game was over and the ref even made that announcement which by rule means the game is officially over. Whatever happened after that is all trivial because everyone knows who the real winners of the game are.:dance2:
 
#81
#81
Ok...we are debating what infraction should have been called AND when should the clock have been started after the penalty. It does not matter in this argument if the penalty was for 5 or 15 yds...the clock is stopped to administer the infraction.

By rule, after a penalty, the clock is restarted at the referee's signal....so the argument is this....can they line up and execute a snap to kick the field goal within 1 sec. I say no.

Rule...
Clock is stopped. If the next play begins with a snap, the game clock will
start on the referee’s signal:
1. Team A is awarded a first down, either through play or by penalty.
2.A Team A forward fumble goes out of bounds.
3. Other than with fewer than two minutes remaining in a half, a Team
A ball carrier, fumble or backward pass is ruled out of bounds.
4. To complete a penalty.
 
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VegasVol said:
Actually, the rules require the ref to stop the clock to allow such a substitution, so that would have hurt us, not helped us.
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I can find no such rule in the handbook. As long as the defense completes their substitutions promptly, the clock rolls.
 
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kptvol said:
I can find no such rule in the handbook. As long as the defense completes their substitutions promptly, the clock rolls.
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If there is, I have never heard of it. Thats why you hold your timeouts for such occasions, and why we ran the ball the last time we had it. We forced them to stop the clock by first down, spike, running out of bounds...

As far as the substitutions, there is no way UT could have substituted promptly or at all. UNC didn't even accomplish that, and thats typically what signals the defense to make changes. If the substitution rule is enforced, when UNC ran their FG team on the field (with the time that remained) the game was over.
 
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kptvol said:
I can find no such rule in the handbook. As long as the defense completes their substitutions promptly, the clock rolls.
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You can't find one because there is no rule such as that. The clock would continue to roll. The official should have returned to the ball when NC started running players on and off the field to give TN a chance to match up. I have a feeling, however, if TN had attempted to sub resulting in more time off the clock, which we didn't, we would have been penalized. Either way we look at it, the officials screwed up.
 
#85
#85
In this case (if we would have run players on the field, cringe, LSU game that would have exponentiated the fact they did not give us a chance to substitute to the FG team running out for UNC.
 
#86
#86
In addition to the 20 guys on the field, 12 in formation,Jacksons bs call,the guy bobbling the ball all the way to the ground and then landing out of bounds, what should have been a late hit or block in the back on 49 for UNC on Thompson, watch the spike and see where Butch Davis is. As they're running the chinese fire drill 2 0r 3 coaches are 10 yards on the field pulling players off while the clocks running and with one second left I believe its Davis 10 yards onto the field. Too many things to overlook we won the game although the history books will never show that. I guess my issue is this. Replays a great thing but sometimes I think maybe officials need to be able to look at a replay and say ok, the rule book says this but what really should have happened. Should we reward LSU for being so stupid at the end of that game, should we give UNC .3 seconds to kick a fg when they were too stupid to line up with 11 guys and spike the ball???? They blew it, I have less issue explaining to a coach hey you guys screwed up so bad you dont deserve to win. I guess watching Riggs INT for the Gators today and they reviewed it he pulled the reciever down and then made a clear INT, well the ref needs to overlook the interference and say yep good INT, is that right???
 
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just saw this and thought i would share
 

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VegasVol said:
Illegal substitution in that instance is a 5 yard penalty, not a 15 yard penalty, because they were not in the huddle and not in formation at the time of the snap.
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We went through this in detail after the game. There were players that didn't get off the field, but there were also very clearly 12 lined up in the formation.
 
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VegasVol said:
But this wasn't a dead ball penalty; it's like illegal formation, not illegal participation, because the extra players were running off the field and not at the line of scrimmage at the time of the snap.
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The kicker and the holder were lined up behind Yates when the ball was snapped.
 
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justingroves said:
The kicker and the holder were lined up behind Yates when the ball was snapped.
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To me this is the most amazing of all the mistakes the refs made. The replay official either didn't bother to count how many UNC had lined up in the formation or the officials on the field screwed up and only penalized 5 yards instead of 15. Everybody was so hung up on the call that went against Kansas State, but at least that was a judgment call. This was right in front of their face and reviewable, but they still didn't get it right.
 
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GAVol said:
To me this is the most amazing of all the mistakes the refs made. The replay official either didn't bother to count how many UNC had lined up in the formation or the officials on the field screwed up and only penalized 5 yards instead of 15. Everybody was so hung up on the call that went against Kansas State, but at least that was a judgment call. This was right in front of their face and reviewable, but they still didn't get it right.
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That's what I was yelling from the stands.
 
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GAVol said:
To me this is the most amazing of all the mistakes the refs made. The replay official either didn't bother to count how many UNC had lined up in the formation or the officials on the field screwed up and only penalized 5 yards instead of 15. Everybody was so hung up on the call that went against Kansas State, but at least that was a judgment call. This was right in front of their face and reviewable, but they still didn't get it right.
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Penalties are not reviewable.
 
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#94
I have another question with the clock.

After Janzen's hit, the clock went down to 25 seconds. After the refs reviewed the hit and catch, they asked for the clock to be wound back to 26 seconds. Was there a reason for this that I am missing? If this has been talked about on VN, can someone point me to it because I couldn't find it.

YouTube - Music City Bowl Ending - Tennessee vs. North Carolina - 12/30/2010


EDIT: And Bob Davie is the worst commentator in all of sports.
 
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VegasVol said:
Actually, the rules require the ref to stop the clock to allow such a substitution, so that would have hurt us, not helped us.
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This is incorrect. The clock would have ran out had they allowed us to sub
 
#99
#99
The receiver was out of bounds on the Jackson hit as well. Everything sucked at the end of the game
 
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