Should we get rid of Jimmy Cheek!

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bluetickhound16 said:
I guess my viewpoint stems from anecdotal evidence I have seen at (ironically enough...) Troy University... I grew up in Columbus Georgia not far away and it was always Troy State back then... The football program was nothing and the school was pretty much an afterthought, a place kids went who didn't get accepted by Auburn or Bama... The football program starts exploding and next thing you know the campus is buzzing with construction activity and quite a few nice new buildings are in place there now that I'm pretty sure were mainly financed through money briught in by the team... I could totally be off base here but it does seem mighty coincidental that Troy's growth into a destination university and the football teams rise to national conciousness went hand in hand... I realize that is not a fair comparison to a land grant university like Tennessee (which existed long before football was a word anybody in America spoke...).
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Which is the big difference.

For a small school, any kind of recognition helps. At a place like Tennessee, it's not that big of a deal.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
For a school with revenues over a billion dollars I don't think that is a big issue.
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UGA and FL are both higher rated universities than UT, but they don't have the issues with player admissions that UT does. The two are not mutually exclusive. Hindering the competitive level of a football team moreso than higher ranking schools in your own conference does nothing but hurt both sides, academic and athletic. Obviously UGA and FL degrees aren't being devalued by the actions of the AD.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Which is the big difference.

For a small school, any kind of recognition helps. At a place like Tennessee, it's not that big of a deal.
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Having talked it out, I see your point.... A few million a year seems like a lot of money to most of us but in the grand scheme (which involves biliions) 8 million isn't a whole lot of money.... I imagine the physics dept. alone could burn through that in a semester or teo...
 
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jjay2518 said:
UGA and FL are both higher rated universities than UT, but they don't have the issues with player admissions that UT does. The two are not mutually exclusive. Hindering the competitive level of a football team moreso than higher ranking schools in your own conference does nothing but hurt both sides, academic and athletic. Obviously UGA and FL degrees aren't being devalued by the actions of the AD.
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Which is my problem with Cheek. Interfering with a person's (edit: Eddrick Loften is who i was thinking of) ability to get into UT who has met qualifications just to prove some sort of point is not helping anyone. Even if his point is completely valid (which I have no knowledge one way or the other...) the perception has got to be harmful to recruiting...
 
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jjay2518 said:
UGA and FL are both higher rated universities than UT, but they don't have the issues with player admissions that UT does. The two are not mutually exclusive. Hindering the competitive level of a football team moreso than higher ranking schools in your own conference does nothing but hurt both sides, academic and athletic. Obviously UGA and FL degrees aren't being devalued by the actions of the AD.
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I don't disagree. My argument was just about the money.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
I was looking at it from the other side if the mirror.... I assumed guys like that donated mainly to the UTAD and threw a little coin over to the academic department to make it look like they cared about UT as a whole (which is totally in line with your PR viewpoint...) rather than just the football program.... Like I said, I don't really know a lot about how the funding works but my assumption was that the AD funneled quite a bit into the academic side to keep the 'AA as a whole happy....
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Don't get on here and tell us all we are fooling ourselves about something you know NOTHING about. Who do you think built the "Min Cao" (sp) building? Certainly wasn't the f'ing football team. UT will be there without the athletic department, maybe a little smaller, but it will still be there. I doubt the AD would be there without the school. There are some fairly MAJOR donors that probably never saw the inside of Neyland and to say that YOU think the school is there because of the AD is childish and rather "not smart".
 
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TNGlen said:
Don't get on here and tell us all we are fooling ourselves about something you know NOTHING about. Who do you think built the "Min Cao" (sp) building? Certainly wasn't the f'ing football team. UT will be there without the athletic department, maybe a little smaller, but it will still be there. I doubt the AD would be there without the school. There are some fairly MAJOR donors that probably never saw the inside of Neyland and to say that YOU think the school is there because of the AD is childish and rather "not smart".
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It's a message board, skippy. I'll post whenever I damn well feel like it and if you read ALL the posts you'd see where a much more reasonable individual than say...you was able to hold a conversation with me and made good points. As for you... Go get yourself a box of cheap wine, a beer bong and some frat brothers.
 
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jjay2518 said:
UGA and FL are both higher rated universities than UT, but they don't have the issues with player admissions that UT does.
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I'm a Gator and I don't really understand this post. Omari Phillips couldn't get admitted to UF and got cleared at UT, so it would seem like we have more admissions issues than you guys. Over the years, we've had to pass on so many recruits due to admissions standards. Peter Warrick, Clinton Portis, Noel Devine, Frank Gore, CJ Spiller, Sammy Watkins. Imagine what kind of teams we could've had if we didn't have such lofty academic standards.

P.S. Cheek isn't a Gator. He's an Aggie if I'm not mistaken, and just worked at UF for 3 decades or so. I'm sure UF has been a big part of his life, but at the end of the day he'll always be a Texan. It's not like he's a mole for us or something.
 
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I want him gone because he is rank with the odor of the Drake Group.

As for his campaign, I find it amusing we waste millions trying to impress a ratings service deeming Alabama a top-50 public university.

That money would be better served trying to attract the best teaching professors to our campus in service of the educational role for Tennessee. We need more Dr. Bass's and Dr. Diacon's on this campus actually spending time in the classroom providing quality education for those choosing to attend Tennessee. Too many times, we've allowed professors to focus attention on their research to the detriment of the educational role.

When I was at Tennessee, we had a Psychology professor named Dr. Calhoun. He was known as "The Wizard" because he rarely taught classes. We've got more of that type of professor operating at UT now.

Where do we need to be? I think we should again focus on recruiting the best teaching professors to Tennessee. I also would like Tennessee to become nationally known as an elite destination for employers to recruit new graduates.

That would mean more to me than a campaign to kiss USN&WR's ass.
 
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Chas in Boca said:
I'm a Gator and I don't really understand this post. Omari Phillips couldn't get admitted to UF and got cleared at UT, so it would seem like we have more admissions issues than you guys. Over the years, we've had to pass on so many recruits due to admissions standards. Peter Warrick, Clinton Portis, Noel Devine, Frank Gore, CJ Spiller, Sammy Watkins. Imagine what kind of teams we could've had if we didn't have such lofty academic standards.

P.S. Cheek isn't a Gator. He's an Aggie if I'm not mistaken, and just worked at UF for 3 decades or so. I'm sure UF has been a big part of his life, but at the end of the day he'll always be a Texan. It's not like he's a mole for us or something.
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Omari is the first time this has worked in our favor, and it sounded like Hart had to fight hard for it. In the past two years, Eddrick Loften, Kenneth Crawley, and Izzy Lanier were cut loose for academics. It was reported that Loften met NCAA and SEC academic requirements, but Cheek put his foot down. Lanier was ruled academically ineligible after his first year here out of JUCO. It was reported that he was ineligible due to C- grades that rounded down to D's when transferring from JUCO. Was also reported that UT was the only SEC school that had this policy. Crawley was told by the coaches to look around after committing due to doubts he would make it past UT's admissions. He went on to have no problem enrolling elsewhere. All 3 were highly rated DBs. I think it's safe to say that our secondary could use the help.

Also I'm not one of these conspiracy theorists thinking he is trying to take down the UT AD from the inside. That's silly. I just think he is completely misguided in his attempts to raise UT's academic prestige. Cracking down on football admissions is high visibility with no substance. He hasn't done anything to tangibly make the university a better teaching institution.
 
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If Jimmy Cheek is impeding the furure of UT football by wanting to keep Dooley then by all means he should be eliminated.
 
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Let's think about his flagship initiative of UTK being a top research institution.

Have we progressed against that vision? Has Cheek advanced us toward the goal?

Even if we forget about the Hamboneness of his football interference, has he made progress on his own flagship agenda?
 
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He should have been fired yesterday or even better, last year or even better, never hired in the first place.
 
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