Should Tyer Bray have started at QB earlier in the season?

What should have been the first game Tyler Bray started at QB?

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I like what Fulmer done in 04, going against the conventional wisdom and played 2 true freshmen at QB, where UT went on to play in the SEC champ game. I feel like Dooley made a mistake not playing Bray sooner. Bray has a stronger arm, gets rid of the ball faster, and just has more composure when the pocket starts to collapse. I thought Bray put up better numbers in all the fall scrimmages that I remember.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but does anybody agree with me?
 
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Maybe he didn't have a good grasp of the offense and reading college defenses.
 
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oklavol said:
I like what Fulmer done in 04, going against the conventional wisdom and played 2 true freshmen at QB, where UT went on to play in the SEC champ game. I feel like Dooley made a mistake not playing Bray sooner. Bray has a stronger arm, gets rid of the ball faster, and just has more composure when the pocket starts to collapse. I thought Bray put up better numbers in all the fall scrimmages that I remember.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but does anybody agree with me?
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Tell me what that starting O-line looked like in 04 versus this year.
 
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I didn't really see this team as "being just 1 QB away" from competing where we want to be, so I'm fine with the present timeline.
 
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Bray had the proverbial deer in the headlights look against UTM. How do you think he would have fared against Oregon, Florida, LSU, or Alabama as the starter?

He was put in at the right time.
 
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SGMVols said:
Bray had the proverbial deer in the headlights look against UTM. How do you think he would have fared against Oregon, Florida, LSU, or Alabama as the starter?

He was put in at the right time.
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The problem I have with this line of reasoning is UT lost all those games. Yeah I think Bray could have started and lost all those games too. Outside of LSU, not real competitive.
 
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SGMVols said:
Bray had the proverbial deer in the headlights look against UTM. How do you think he would have fared against Oregon, Florida, LSU, or Alabama as the starter?

He was put in at the right time.
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He may have been broken up into kindling wood.
 
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oklavol said:
The problem I have with this line of reasoning is UT lost all those games. Yeah I think Bray could have started and lost all those games too. Outside of LSU, not real competitive.
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Not the point. You don't want to shatter the confidence of your QB of the future by letting him get murdered by those teams.
 
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coaches know more than i do.. even if I like to give my opinion about what they should have done... fortunately i have that luxury...lol
 
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I think he could have started earlier, but Dooley did a good job of working him in once he felt like Bray was ready. I will admit I was upset with the decision of starting Simms over Bray because I figured Bray was the future. I think overall things panned out and Dooley will hopefully get his first SEC win this Saturday.
 
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We backed into the SEC championship game that year, and I know the O line was much more experienced than this one. I don't think this comparison should even be made. Fact: we are 3-6 and that can't be changed. Now let's kick everybody's arse and get to that bowl game.
 
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oklavol said:
I like what Fulmer done in 04, going against the conventional wisdom and played 2 true freshmen at QB, where UT went on to play in the SEC champ game.
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The comparison is completely invalid. We had an o-line and 2 1,000 yard rushers to lean on in 2004.
 
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oklavol said:
I like what Fulmer done in 04, going against the conventional wisdom and played 2 true freshmen at QB, where UT went on to play in the SEC champ game. I feel like Dooley made a mistake not playing Bray sooner. Bray has a stronger arm, gets rid of the ball faster, and just has more composure when the pocket starts to collapse. I thought Bray put up better numbers in all the fall scrimmages that I remember.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but does anybody agree with me?[/QUOTE]

No. If you can do a better job of evaluating players by watching on TV once a week than a coaching staff that works with them all week, every week then I suggest you turn in your spatula and head to K-town.
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I wouldn't want my freshman QB's confidence and body shattered against the likes of LSU, Florida, and Alabama. Memphis was the perfect game for Bray to gain confidence and have his first starting experience. Either way, Simms did alright while QB. As someone mentioned, we were never 1 QB away from winning any of the games we lost.
 
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No. the last thing you want to do when developing a good quarterback is throw him up against the teams like Bama and UF. Let him learn the offense and improve to play better in the future, rather than get him beaten, bruised, and hurt in big blowouts his freshman year against teams we weren't going to be able to beat
 
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I am probably correct in assuming that nobody in this thread sees them every day in practice. My guess is that the coaches have a better insight into knowing when he was ready to play. I also believe they did not want to shatter his confidence against the stretch of teams we faced. Simms might be the better of the two as a game manager. Bray is likely the better of the two as a playmaker.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
I wouldn't want my freshman QB's confidence and body shattered against the likes of LSU, Florida, and Alabama. Memphis was the perfect game for Bray to gain confidence and have his first starting experience. Either way, Simms did alright while QB. As someone mentioned, we were never 1 QB away from winning any of the games we lost.
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agree :good!:
 
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KentheOrange said:
I like what Fulmer done in 04, going against the conventional wisdom and played 2 true freshmen at QB, where UT went on to play in the SEC champ game. I feel like Dooley made a mistake not playing Bray sooner. Bray has a stronger arm, gets rid of the ball faster, and just has more composure when the pocket starts to collapse. I thought Bray put up better numbers in all the fall scrimmages that I remember.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but does anybody agree with me?

No. If you can do a better job of evaluating players by watching on TV once a week than a coaching staff that works with them all week, every week then I suggest you turn in your spatula and head to K-town.
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So the coaches can't be questioned? Fulmer should still be on the sideline since he saw the players all week and the fans didn't. :blink:

I was able to figure out how to use quotations marks around a post, which apparently baffled you.
 
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GAVol said:
The comparison is completely invalid. We had an o-line and 2 1,000 yard rushers to lean on in 2004.
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also the two QBs offered something different play style wise when they came onto the field


they weren't both immoble pocket passers like the two in 05 or the two this year; the defense had to at the very least consider adjusting a bit in response
 
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