Should Looters of non-essential items be shot

Should Security Shoot Looters of Non-Essentials

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#26
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Granted, these people are thugs........... What are they going to do with a plazma TV in NO now?

But is the real issue here enforcing the law? Is America that obessed with material objects that the real issue of honest people struggling for their lives is not the focal point of what we're trying to do?

I say if one of the thugs interferes with a rescue operation, such as the reported firing at an airlift as reported earlier, then waste him/her. Otherwise, don't lower ourselves to the thugs standards.

Damn, think I'm ready to move to Canada..
 
#27
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Originally posted by OldVol@Sep 1, 2005 10:15 PM
Where you guys may have a very storng will, this isn't the case about all young people. Some are obviously influenced by the culture. Look at how kids emulate the dress, the walk, and the language of the rap culture. That doesn't mean every kid will be moved to violence by it, but even if a few are that is a very bad thing.
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I agree, there's a difference between those of us lucky enough to have good parents vs. those that don't. Whether it be country or rap, the music can be influential if you do not have "good raising"

In my own hometown in rural middle Tennessee, those that were raised on country music with "no raising" often through life have followed the drankin, beat the wife and kids philosophy.
 
#28
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If I'm a relief worker in NO right now, I'm going to be very cautious about going back out into the war zone once I've been shot at by these gangs.

I can't help but believe the lawlessness is adding to this disaster.

While the people left behind in NO were given opportunities to get to shelter, were offered free transportation to shelters such as the Superdome, yet they refused these pleas and chose to stay, yet besides all of that, America needs to get there now and get the people out to some semblance of a decent life.

The fact of the matter is; law and order must be restored before any REAL relief effort can be successful.
 
#29
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It's crazy to think that people are being influenced to NOT go help our fellow man because of the threats of violence in the area. People are shooting at RESCUE helicopters. Police and aid workers are being beaten. Now, there are even reports of rape in the shelters.

You would think that we would be incapable of such inhumanity during a time when the elderly and newborns are dying in masses. Disaster should unify a people, not intensify cross- and inter-cultural differences, barriers, and hostility. It's sad, but the only way I see any order being restored at this time is with a concerted and intense military presence.
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Sep 2, 2005 10:13 AM
It's crazy to think that people are being influenced to NOT go help our fellow man because of the threats of violence in the area.  People are shooting at RESCUE helicopters.  Police and aid workers are being beaten.  Now, there are even reports of rape in the shelters.

You would think that we would be incapable of such inhumanity during a time when the elderly and newborns are dying in masses.  Disaster should unify a people, not intensify cross- and inter-cultural differences, barriers, and hostility.  It's sad, but the only way I see any order being restored at this time is with a concerted and intense military presence.
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Absolutely dead on doc,

I've never seen a situation quite like this. Normally, what you inferred is correct; people who are enemies often come together in times of crisis. It seems in New Orleans that crisis is driving the evil to the top instead of the good.

What can be done?

Logistically they're unreachable.
Some have suggested dropping food and water from the air. How?
Choppers would have to be diverted from rescue to drop it, and much of it would doubtless end up in the rancid ocean water.

It is an absolute nightmare.
 
#31
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Originally posted by BigT@Sep 2, 2005 1:26 AM
Granted, these people are thugs........... What are they going to do with a plazma TV in NO now?

But is the real issue here enforcing the law?  Is America that obessed with material objects that the real issue of honest people struggling for their lives is not the focal point of what we're trying to do?

I say if one of the thugs interferes with a rescue operation, such as the reported firing at an airlift as reported earlier, then waste him/her.  Otherwise, don't lower ourselves to the thugs standards.

Damn, think I'm ready to move to Canada..
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Exactly! If one of these thugs is armed that is one thing. He is posing a danger to rescue workers and should be dealt with accordingly. On the other hand, what we are talking about here is shooting people for stealing TV sets and other such items. Last time I checked, that is not a capital offense. I assume that New Orleans is still part of the United States right? We're talking, in all probability, about damaged goods, which, in all probability, are insured. Is that really worth taking lives over? :twocents:
 
#32
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Originally posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange@Sep 3, 2005 9:48 AM
Exactly! If one of these thugs is armed that is one thing. He is posing a danger to rescue workers and should be dealt with accordingly. On the other hand, what we are talking about here is shooting people for stealing TV sets and other such items. Last time I checked, that is not a capital offense. I assume that New Orleans is still part of the United States right? We're talking, in all probability, about damaged goods, which, in all probability, are insured. Is that really worth taking lives over?  :twocents:
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They're now under martial law and all civil liberties are suspended.

Extreme circumstances demand extreme measures.

FEMA just today reported that they had to suspend rescue because the danger was so widespread.
 
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Originally posted by OldVol@Sep 3, 2005 10:42 AM
They're now under martial law and all civil liberties are suspended.

Extreme circumstances demand extreme measures.

FEMA just today reported that they had to suspend rescue because the danger was so widespread.
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Like I said, Whatever measures are necessary should be taken to ensure the safety of rescue workers and everyone else for that matter, including deadly force. The title of this thread is "Should looters of non essential items be shot?" My answer to that is still a resounding NO! I don't care if Martial Law has been declared or not. To shoot a person who poses no danger to rescue workers is murder. They may never answer for it in this lifetime, but God will hold them accountable.
 
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Originally posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange@Sep 3, 2005 10:48 AM
I assume that New Orleans is still part of the United States right? We're talking, in all probability, about damaged goods, which, in all probability, are insured. Is that really worth taking lives over?  :twocents:
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I'm with you, Nothing is worth taking a life. I think the only reason a officer should use deadly force is when someone is threatening someone else with deadly force.

But, you know, them Cajuns never wanted to be part of the United States and would probably gladly accept (before this hurricane hit) an offer to become an independant country on their own. If you ever talk to a Cajun who is savvy with Cajun history or if you've ever listened to Justin Wilson, you know they have serious issues with the U.S. :unsure:
 
#36
#36
Shoot looters: Hell YES!

Shoot people trying to get food and supplies needed for survival: Hell NO!
 
#37
#37
Unless they are taking milk and bread..........shoot em!!!! You got dumbasses stealing TV's. They have no house, no electricity, and no car to even put it in to take it anywhere!!!!!!!!! They run down the street with it, realize they cant do anything with it, then throw it on the ground. That is just pitiful. Im not saying kill em................just shoot em in the leg or something!!!!!
 
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