Should Clowney sit?

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#101
this was a topic brought about by espn because they're out of things to talk about

clowney isn't going to sit out
 
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VolBeef88 said:
If so then the players should pay for their training, conditioning, education, room and board, marketing the players via allowing them to showcase their talents on national telebvision etc... The list goes on and on.
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They do pay for it. They pay for it in the form of scholarship and, in cases like Marcus Lattimore, they give multiple body parts for their respective universities. These players are being exploited by said universities and receiving very little in return for it. All they are really doing is risking their futures by putting on for their schools. Players like Clowney, Lattimore, Murray, and Richardson have received nothing for the money they have helped generate for their universities.
 
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DarthVisor said:
They do pay for it. They pay for it in the form of scholarship and, in cases like Marcus Lattimore, they give multiple body parts for their respective universities. These players are being exploited by said universities and receiving very little in return for it. All they are really doing is risking their futures by putting on for their schools. Players like Clowney, Lattimore, Murray, and Richardson have received nothing for the money they have helped generate for their universities.
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I'm sure none of them received training, nutrition, or got to play on national TV and showcase their talents for the NFL etc.
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#104
#104
He wont do it, but I couldn't blame him if he did.

It's easy for fans to talk about the love of the game.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I'm sure none of them received training, nutrition, or got to play on national TV and showcase their talents for the NFL etc.
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That's not the point. They're giving more than they are getting in return. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.
 
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DarthVisor said:
That's not the point. They're giving more than they are getting in return. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.
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Considering their best alternative is to train on their own for 3 years and pray for a combine invitation, I think they are actually getting a lot in return for playing for the universities. Is playing a game for millions of dollars some sort of innate right for all people of exceptional athletic ability regardless of their age or the rules of the only for-profit business organization that would employ them?
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I'm sure none of them received training, nutrition, or got to play on national TV and showcase their talents for the NFL etc.
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Don't act like this is a necessity to end up playing on Sunday. If you can play, the NFL will find you. There is a LONG list of guys who came from nothing schools and had great NFL careers. I'm not saying that players flat out get nothing, but they do get the **** end of the stick when you consider how much revenue they generate for their universities while taking ALL the risks on their shoulders.
 
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Smokefatty said:
Considering their best alternative is to train on their own for 3 years and pray for a combine invitation, I think they are actually getting a lot in return for playing for the universities. Is playing a game for millions of dollars some sort of innate right for all people of exceptional athletic ability regardless of their age or the rules of the only for-profit business organization that would employ them?
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No, but the problem is that the university is able to cashing in on these players basically from the moment the players set foot on campus, while the players have to hope they can navigate the dangers of 3-4 years of elite level football without injury before they can hope to cash in on what the university offered them. Take Lattimore for example. He didn't make it, and in all likelihood, he'll never be the same player he was before his injuries. However, while he's been destroying his body, SC has been cashing the checks for his jersey sales, etc. for 3 years. Do you think out of the goodness of their hearts SC is going to give him so much as a dime to help him offset all the earnings he lost while making money for them? Hell no, and that's why players get screwed by this system.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Don't act like this is a necessity to end up playing on Sunday. If you can play, the NFL will find you. There is a LONG list of guys who came from nothing schools and had great NFL careers. I'm not saying that players flat out get nothing, but they do get the **** end of the stick when you consider how much revenue they generate for their universities while taking ALL the risks on their shoulders.
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Name me 5 players in the NFL that didn't play college football.
The reality is the school benefits AND the players benefit. Period.
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VolBeef88 said:
Name me 5 players in the NFL that didn't play college football.
The reality is the school benefits AND the players benefit. Period.
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I can't do that, but I can name plenty that never played a down in the NFL BECAUSE of college football. I'll start the list with Chuck Webb, arguably the best RB to ever play for UT. Would you like to explain to me how playing college football was mutually beneficial for both him and UT? Or did he just have millions of dollars in future earnings snatched out from under him when he got injured playing a scrub opponent for free?
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I can't do that, but I can name plenty that never played a down in the NFL BECAUSE of college football. I'll start the list with Chuck Webb, arguably the best RB to ever play for UT. Would you like to explain to me how playing college football was mutually beneficial for both him and UT? Or did he just have millions of dollars in future earnings snatched out from under him when he got injured playing a scrub opponent for free?
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And how many players DO make it to the NFL from college ball if they have the talent. Here's a hint: it's a helluva a lot more than those who get hurt and don't make it.
Those of you who act like these players don't benefit a LOT from college ball are just wrong. If there was a better way to prepare for the NFL it would be happening. Period.

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DarthVisor said:
That's not the point. They're giving more than they are getting in return. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.
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Not sure I get it. Why is a football player that blows out a knee more important than a lacrosse player that does? Or a golfer or a cross country runner or etc? Because football is a more popular spectator sport?
 
#114
#114
Anybody who says he should play is out of touch with reality. He doesn't have anything else to prove, has nothing to gain, and everything to lose.

He may play, but it's a huge gamble - even if he has an insurance policy, that's a far cry from what he could make if he were eligible to enter the draft this year.

If you say you would play if you were him, then you're either being dishonest or you're not very bright.
 
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AmoebaVol said:
Anybody who says he should play is out of touch with reality. He doesn't have anything else to prove, has nothing to gain, and everything to lose.

He may play, but it's a huge gamble - even if he has an insurance policy, that's a far cry from what he could make if he were eligible to enter the draft this year.

If you say you would play if you were him, then you're either being dishonest or you're not very bright.
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If he doesn't play it will cost him millions as well. It will get him a bad name before he's even drafted. There's a reason players like him play. Do you really think this is the first time people have thought about this? It would be a HUGE mistake for him if he chose to not play.
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VolBeef88 said:
If he doesn't play it will cost him millions as well. It will get him a bad name before he's even drafted. There's a reason players like him play. Do you really think this is the first time people have thought about this? It would be a HUGE mistake for him if he chose to not play.
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It would not cost him millions.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
If he doesn't play it will cost him millions as well. It will get him a bad name before he's even drafted. There's a reason players like him play. Do you really think this is the first time people have thought about this? It would be a HUGE mistake for him if he chose to not play.
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Clowney would still be a top 5 pick.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
If he doesn't play it will cost him millions as well. It will get him a bad name before he's even drafted. There's a reason players like him play. Do you really think this is the first time people have thought about this? It would be a HUGE mistake for him if he chose to not play.
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Give him a bad name? They would probably think he was pretty damn smart if he didn't play. I bet if you asked the GM of the upcoming year's worst team (Chiefs, maybe?) if he should play, they'd say "Heck no."

And since when did anybody in the NFL care if a dominant player had a "bad name?" The Ravens got a good run out of Ray Lewis post-murder trial -- when a lot of questionable stuff went down.

Performance is all that matters. Can't perform with a bum leg.
 
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#119
To those who think it wouldn't cost him, answer this. Why has NO player done this? Clowney isn't the first great player to be in this situation yet NONE have sat. There's a reason.
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VolBeef88 said:
To those who think it wouldn't cost him, answer this. Why has NO player done this? Clowney isn't the first great player to be in this situation yet NONE have sat. There's a reason.
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Maurice Clarrett attempted it. He thought he was better than he actually was though.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
To those who think it wouldn't cost him, answer this. Why has NO player done this? Clowney isn't the first great player to be in this situation yet NONE have sat. There's a reason.
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Clowney is the first consensus #1 sophomore since the world started taking football injuries seriously. The disastrous injury to his teammate, who also would have been a high first round pick as a sophomore and who lost probably $15-20 million dollars because he wasn't eligible, underlines it. You understand that football and its injuries has sort of become a topic in the last few years, right?
 
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VolBeef88 said:
To those who think it wouldn't cost him, answer this. Why has NO player done this? Clowney isn't the first great player to be in this situation yet NONE have sat. There's a reason.
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Mike Williams sat out a year and was a top 10 pick.

So yes, someone has done this. Worked out for him. He got big dough (and when I mean big dough, I mean fat too).

If Clowney plays bad this year, he's still a top five pick.
 
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