Should Butch issue statement?

[VolFootballIsLife]

This is one schizo fan base. I can't tell if the fans want him fired or give him more money. It literally changes each week.

Bottom Line: It's a step down. It makes zero sense....AT ALL.

 

[Tennman]

please stop

 

[utvolpj]

On the way to work I drove past a McDonald's with a help wanted sign out front. When I got to the office I made sure to let my boss know I was not interested in that job and was fully committed to my current one. He seemed confused but that was probably just the relief of knowing for sure

 

[OrangeInKy]

On the way to work I drove past a McDonald's with a help wanted sign out front. When I got to the office I made sure to let my boss know I was not interested in that job and was fully committed to my current one. He seemed confused but that was probably just the relief of knowing for sure

Excellent! Now I am starting a thread on who might replace you at your current job. I know your boss is a big fan of Warren Buffet..

 

[EZE]

I like Butch, but if he wants to leave Tennessee and the SEC for VaTech and the ACC, then that is on him. Our roster is finally getting close to where it needs to be. If he wants to let somebody else slide in and reap the rewards, then he isn't very smart. Whoever the coach is next year, UT will be very good.

And whoever the coach at VaTech is next year, they most likely lose big in Bristol.

I think the odds of Butch leaving for any job are so low it isn't worth the electrons needed to make this post.

 

[wesleydmartin]

i dont think he wants to be there, i think he loves this gig....i grew up 2 hours from blacksburg and saw some great years with Vick, remember seeing them play for the Natl champ against Weinke and Fla St. they are a ways off from there, easier conference sure, but Tennessee is a much better job and in a much better location.....those mountains get colder then is does in knoxville, alot colder....

 

[Boca Vol]

This is one schizo fan base. I can't tell if the fans want him fired or give him more money. It literally changes each week.

Bottom Line: It's a step down. It makes zero sense....AT ALL.

This place is pure comedy.

You were considered a negavol in the off-season by saying this team could win 10 games. According to the Sunshine pumpers that was putting too much pressure on the team.

So now Butch should issue a statement on something created by a guy with a Twitter account? A similar thing happened back in '12 when the fanbase demanded that Hart should address the Gruden rumors which were created...by the fanbase! :crazy:

 

[GlockVol]

A good job is not always about more money. Your organization(university), immediate supervisor, people you work with, city (Knoxville isnt great but better than a lot of college towns), and is your family happy matters a lot. He has all the tools he needs to recruit, coach and win. So throwing more money at him may not even be necessary unless he goes to Hart and says VT has made me an offer and I'm considering it.
The worst part of his job is dealing with the gooberish fans. Hopefully he stays off VN so he mistaken thinks there are intelligent folks among the fanbase. I've been a fan for 45 years and I can tell you that during that time he is in the top 2 coaches during that period. All you jackasses who want him gone better be careful what you wish for.

 

[chattavol420]

This is one schizo fan base. I can't tell if the fans want him fired or give him more money. It literally changes each week.

Bottom Line: It's a step down. It makes zero sense....AT ALL.

If you're taking the few extreme comments from idiots and allowing them to in your mind represent the entire fan base...then you're going to have a difficult life. Lol. There a few idiots in every crowd.
Most people are kinda on the fence regarding Butch. He's done a great job at recruiting and getting the kids to work hard/play hard. No doubt about that. We are way better now than a few years ago. But Butch has proven to be a very poor gameday manager. The fear of taking chances when he has the lead In a game has killed us. And why he can't recognize that he'll lose a lot more games against good teams that way than he'll every win is hard to understand. It really makes you question his intelligence. It's not a difficult concept.
Anyway it is what it is. Due to the great work ethic and recruiting, I think Butch can probably win 8/9 games a year here consistently. Something similar to Uga. We're just not going to win national championships without great game management

 

[VFL-82-JP]

This is one schizo fan base. I can't tell if the fans want him fired or give him more money. It literally changes each week.

Bottom Line: It's a step down. It makes zero sense....AT ALL.

No, it's just a diverse fan base. Think of it as a bunch of separate crowds all sharing space in one huge plaza, with some folks intermingling among the crowds, constant jostling and so on.

There's always gonna be that one clump hollering for the coach's head on a platter, and that other group singing kumbaya around a burning mattress. And a lot of subsets of folks who are somewhere in between, each with their own angles. Plus trolls, scatter in a handful of true trolls just stirring all the clumps up.

That's how VolNation is. Every single member has a (more or less) rational viewpoint. It only seems schizophrenic if you try to take this hugely diverse body as a single organism. It most certainly is not that.

Go Vols!



p.s. This is actually a fairly common logical error. See people making this mistake in misunderstanding VN all the time.

p.p.s. Absolutely agree with you about Va Tech being a step (or more) down, and such a move not making any sense. Think you're dead right there.

 

[Volsick]

Butch isn't going anywhere. If he does though he needs to make a move ASAP so our program can go hire a rock star.

 

[HardKnoxVol]

Wow, half of these posts seem like he's already guilty and leaving.

He's not going anywhere except to the top of the mountain!!! LET'S RIDE 2016

 

[OrangeInKy]

Wow, half of these posts seem like he's already guilty and leaving.

He's not going anywhere except to the top of the mountain!!! LET'S RIDE 2016

Half? Not even close. Most people treating the premise of this thread like the joke it is and having fun with it.

 

[DownNDirty]

I've been a fan for 45 years and I can tell you that during that time he is in the top 2 coaches during that period. All you jackasses who want him gone better be careful what you wish for.

Are you serious? Last 45 years. Coaches we've had in the past 45 years - since 1970:

Bill Battle 1970-1976 (59-22-2) 71% winning

Johnny Majors 1977-1992 (116-62-8) 63% winning

Phil Fulmer 1992-2008 (152-52) 75% winning

Lane Kiffin 2009 (7-6) 54% winning

Derek Dooley 2010-2012 (15-21) 42% winning

Butch Jones 2013-present (16-17) 49% winning

So, since 1970 you still think Butch is our 2nd best coach we've had?

1. Fulmer
2. Majors
3. Battle
4. Kiffin
5. Jones
6. Doofus

 

[Otis07]

No. Hart should NOT offer Butch more money.

If Butch wants to go somewhere else....he should go.

We are Tennessee. We were Tennessee before Butch and will be Tennessee after Butch.

Butch has not proven himself to be worth more than he is currently making.

If...and that's a BIG if....he get's to 9 this year....give him a small raise since it would be the first time we have won 9 or more since Phil was here.

8 wins DOES NOT get you a raise at Tennessee.

If he would rather go to VT....I'm sure we could get a crew of folks together to help him pack.

8 wins got J majors and P Fulmer raises and extensions

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Looking solely at win % over short periods of time (less than 3 years, say) is shoddy homework, unless you throw in some trend analysis to fill it out.

Okay, so in purely percentage terms, Butch is poised to pass Kiffin by the end of the year (21-17 = 55%). That would put him smack dab in the middle of that list.

But trend analysis says even more: 5 wins ... 7 wins ... 9 wins ... (slope = +2 wins/year). that's a trend that has no top end, and is a pretty healthy rate of climb.

Compare that to Bill Battle's trend line: 11 ... 10 ... 10 ... 8 ... 7 ... 7 ... 6 (slope = -1 win/year).

Or to Johnny Majors: 4 ... 5 ... 7 ... 5 ... 8 ... 6 ... 9 ... 7 (slope = +0.5 win/year).

Butch looking healthy to me. Not sure I'd join GlockVol (yet) in saying Butch is one of the two best coaches we've had in the past 45 years, but he has a WHOLE lot more promise than you're giving him credit for. Assuming he wins out, of course.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Jeez Louise, do we really have to go through this every time there is a job open?? :no::no:




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As long as millions of dollars and agents are involved, I would think so.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Are you serious? Last 45 years. Coaches we've had in the past 45 years - since 1970:

Bill Battle 1970-1976 (59-22-2) 71% winning

Johnny Majors 1977-1992 (116-62-8) 63% winning

Phil Fulmer 1992-2008 (152-52) 75% winning

Lane Kiffin 2009 (7-6) 54% winning

Derek Dooley 2010-2012 (15-21) 42% winning

Butch Jones 2013-present (16-17) 49% winning

So, since 1970 you still think Butch is our 2nd best coach we've had?

1. Fulmer
2. Majors
3. Battle
4. Kiffin
5. Jones
6. Doofus

It would be more accurate (Not Entirely) to post the records of these coaches after their first three seasons. Id be willing to bet that Butch's final record at UT will not be similar to his record after 2 1/2 seasons. Not to mention that none of the coaches you listed came into the trainwreck that Butch inherited.


Looks like I was a little slow on the draw, but you get the point.

 

[IzzyFoReal]

Butch is not going to VT... 2 reasons.
1. He's got a good thing going here. He's going to finish this season on a very high note and have this team ready to roll into SEC dominance next year.
2. VT has more than enough options out there with coaches who will have a better record this year.

 

[Wezcoast]

Sometimes the internet just seems like a curse.

 

[sanddune50]

Looking solely at win % over short periods of time (less than 3 years, say) is shoddy homework, unless you throw in some trend analysis to fill it out.

Okay, so in purely percentage terms, Butch is poised to pass Kiffin by the end of the year (21-17 = 55%). That would put him smack dab in the middle of that list.

But trend analysis says even more: 5 wins ... 7 wins ... 9 wins ... (slope = +2 wins/year). that's a trend that has no top end, and is a pretty healthy rate of climb.

Compare that to Bill Battle's trend line: 11 ... 10 ... 10 ... 8 ... 7 ... 7 ... 6 (slope = -1 win/year).

Or to Johnny Majors: 4 ... 5 ... 7 ... 5 ... 8 ... 6 ... 9 ... 7 (slope = +0.5 win/year).

Butch looking healthy to me. Not sure I'd join GlockVol (yet) in saying Butch is one of the two best coaches we've had in the past 45 years, but he has a WHOLE lot more promise than you're giving him credit for. Assuming he wins out, of course.

Not to mention Battle inherited a program after a very strong Doug Dickey run. Majors had to dig out of the Bill Battle hole to bring Tennessee back to prominence. Eerily similar as to what Butch is having to do after a combination of Fulmer, Kiffin, and Dooley leaving the football team in shambles. Could probably throw Mike Hamilton in there as well, but we are just discussing coaches. I think the instant gratification group that points to other programs quick turn arounds don't realize how bad this place got. Butch took on a complete rebuild project and I think has done admirably.

 

[ReaderVol]

Looking solely at win % over short periods of time (less than 3 years, say) is shoddy homework, unless you throw in some trend analysis to fill it out.

Okay, so in purely percentage terms, Butch is poised to pass Kiffin by the end of the year (21-17 = 55%). That would put him smack dab in the middle of that list.

But trend analysis says even more: 5 wins ... 7 wins ... 9 wins ... (slope = +2 wins/year). that's a trend that has no top end, and is a pretty healthy rate of climb.

Compare that to Bill Battle's trend line: 11 ... 10 ... 10 ... 8 ... 7 ... 7 ... 6 (slope = -1 win/year).

Or to Johnny Majors: 4 ... 5 ... 7 ... 5 ... 8 ... 6 ... 9 ... 7 (slope = +0.5 win/year).

Butch looking healthy to me. Not sure I'd join GlockVol (yet) in saying Butch is one of the two best coaches we've had in the past 45 years, but he has a WHOLE lot more promise than you're giving him credit for. Assuming he wins out, of course.

Another quality post JP.

 

[johnrlansford]

Butch is not going anywhere!

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[Thunder Good-Oil]

Brilliance yet again. MSU should have fired both Saban and Dantonio...
Every situation is different and should be viewed as such. A one size fits all approach is almost always a stupid idea.
Anyone with the ability to think at a level slightly higher than a blade of grass can see this program is on a trajectory straight up.

I said don't pay them millions for potential... compensate them when they've actually accomplished something and stop giving them long term packages with huge payoffs even if they fail. How you translate that into MSU would have fired those two is beyond my ability to comprehend.

 

[ReaderVol]

I said don't pay them millions for potential... compensate them when they've actually accomplished something and stop giving them long term packages with huge playoffs even if they fail. How you translate that into MSU would have fired those two is beyond my ability to comprehend.

I have no doubt about that.