Should #7 be retired?

Should #7 be retired in honor of Condredge Holloway?

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#78
#78
JTrainDavis said:
Not as blatant as what you said, but something along your lines. He was the first black to play QB, but he still doesn't meet the requirements for retired numbers. Not sure what Grizz would say, but I think retiring his # for being black would be an insult.
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It would seem that way to me too.
 
#80
#80
No, because no UT jerseys should be retired except for the men who died in the war.

Rasputin_Vol said:
C'mon now... I realize we already have numbers retired for WWII soldiers, but that just sounds over sanctimonious. The current criteria for retiring numbers is already crazy when a guy like Johnny Majors can't get his number retired.
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This was the tradition at UT for 50 years. I'm still disappointed with Doug Atkins and Peyton Manning for not telling them to bag the idea when the policy was changed. And when they did change the policy, they adopted idiotic criteria that basically forbid anyone being honored unless they went on to be an NFL superstar. If you're going to retire a number for football, Johnny and George Cafego both deserve the honor as much as, if not more than the three they chose. What someone does, or doesn't do, in the NFL should be totally irrelevant to what they contributed to Tennessee football.
 
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#81
#81
Jerseys shouldn't be retired in college. Tab certain numbers as special and make it an honor to wear those numbers, ala #12 at Bama or #1 at Michigan.

I would think that making it an honor for a QB to wear #16 at Tennessee would carry more symbolism than retiring it.
 
#83
#83
Weezer said:
While I think CH is very deserving of having his number retired, I can see the arguement against retiring numbers in general. I like the idea of a monument park, but where would UT put it? Regardless, it would definately be something awesome for recruits to see.
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Why not line the Vol Walk with a bunch of lifesized statues? There's a guy in Texas who does these for about $17 bucks a pop and they are in living color! :whistling:

University of Texas Builds Statues; Hilarity ensues. - SaintsReport Community Forums
 

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#84
#84
If we have 85 schollys and some walkons we need all the numbers. There should be a way to honor former players without using up the numbers.
 
#86
#86
I like the idea of lining the "Vol Walk" path with statues of UT legends! It would just be really good and exciting for current players and coaches to walk down a pathway filled with loyal fans and statues that remind them to give it all for Tennessee on gamedays!
 
#87
#87
There aren't many jersey numbers I'd retire before #7, so please stop with the number shortage crisis. Unfortunately, we're in no danger of having another CH soon.
 
#88
#88
utmba93 said:
There aren't many jersey numbers I'd retire before #7, so please stop with the number shortage crisis. Unfortunately, we're in no danger of having another CH soon.
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No crisis. Just pointless to retire numbers.
 
#91
#91
AJeray4TN said:
Plenty of other ways to do that.
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I thought your point was that it was pointless, not that there were other ways to make the point. j/k.. of course...

There's nothing like offseason on the eve of NCAA investigation report about infractions in multiple UT sports...:hi:
 
#92
#92
I guess if you are less than 21 years old or know nothing of Tennessee football before PM, then the answer is no
 
#93
#93
utmba93 said:
I thought your point was that it was pointless, not that there were other ways to make the point. j/k.. of course...

There's nothing like offseason on the eve of NCAA investigation report about infractions in multiple UT sports...:hi:
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We just disagree on how to honor him, but regardless, UT needs to figure out a way to honor CH.
 
#94
#94
JohnnyBall said:
I guess if you are less than 21 years old or know nothing of Tennessee football before PM, then the answer is no
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I'm younger than 21 and I think we should. The advancements CH made when he started at quarterback in a racially divided South was a major milestone in SEC history. Let alone his stats and accomplishments. The ones who say he shouldn't are the uneducated ones.
 
#95
#95
JTrainDavis said:
He doesn't meet the established criteria ,iirc
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Initially I agreed. But I was born in '71 and didn't realize the landscape in the NFL was what it was at the time. Given that, the criteria, especially the NFL criteria, have to be taken into context. So today, after hearing the whole story, lean to yes.
 
#96
#96
No, It's not fair to other minorities at other positions. Kicker/center positions were alot harder for an black athletes to break into. Would you retire number of UT's first black kicker? What about first jewish player, they faced the same obstacles in racially divided South. Or first german or asian player after WWII. Base only on playing ability is the only way to be fair to all.
 
#98
#98
vols-1 said:
No, It's not fair to other minorities at other positions. Kicker/center positions were alot harder for an black athletes to break into. Would you retire number of UT's first black kicker? What about first jewish player, they faced the same obstacles in racially divided South. Or first german or asian player after WWII. Base only on playing ability is the only way to be fair to all.
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The Jewish player who breaks the barrier in the post WWII German soccer league would be the closer analogy, imo. :hi:
 
#99
#99
it was even mentioned in the show but Lester McClain seems to be pushed to the side
 
#100
#100
o3marine52 said:
NO. Is this for the same reason that we take a full holiday for MLK day and not for presidents day? I mean grateful to him for what he gaved to Tennessee and all but, for all those who talk about getting rid of race and why people still look at color well this is one of the cases. Why give someone someone something simply for the color of his skin and no solely on the basis of his playing ability.
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Because in his day and age, he would not have met the criteria because of his color.

Look, no black quarterback in the 1970's like Holloway was going to get a real shot in the NFL. One did with the Broncos, but was converted to wide reciever the following year. Regardless of how good he was at Tennessee, it would've been extremely difficult for Holloway to recieve any real recognition nationally because of the talent around him. He basically carried us for 3 years on his back. We weren't extremely talented anywhere, which showed up after he was gone, which limited the number of awards he would win.

I am not one to beat the race card, but I do think that some people aren't really old enough to understand what this accomplishment meant. The beatings and hosedowns are nothing but grainy images on the History Channel or PBS. Not to knock anyone, but I think you had to live through it to have an understanding just what it meant to be black during the afteraffects of de-segregation.

At the same time, I don't like retiring numbers and am not arguing that it should be retired.
 
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