Shoop hype ?

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Butch said beat Florida! He did ! He didn't say let's play cb at dt and lose our 2 best lb and best corner! People man ! We were so injured and it's not a exscuse , let your transmission go out in your car and then sit around and raise hell bc it won't go anywhere! Same fricken logic that some people use about last year

You're right Mink, but we are talking about Vandy and SC, no matter how injured we are, they should always take a beating from the Vols.

It's how it's suppose to be.

It's time to right the ship.
 
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That reminds me of a comedy album my brother and I bought when we were teenagers, "Earache my Eye" by Cheech and Chong.

"Earache? I'm gonna give you a butt ache ".


"Why?What are you gonna do you pervert?"

Staying with the topic....

Coach, let's talk about your record...

My record.....the hell you wanna bring up my record for, I didn't know the girl was thewteen.

Your basketball record coach

Oh oh okay..
 
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In the last few years we have been able to score points against almost every team. Even the good ones. Where we have been falling short is on defense. We cannot stop the good teams. We actually lose because of our defense.
Do you think Shoop will live up to the hype that came with him in 2017, or will our defense continue to look like the Key Stone Cops?.
It has been so long since we have had a top notch SEC defense, my hear aches.


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Butch said beat Florida! He did ! He didn't say let's play cb at dt and lose our 2 best lb and best corner! People man ! We were so injured and it's not a exscuse , let your transmission go out in your car and then sit around and raise hell bc it won't go anywhere! Same fricken logic that some people use about last year

And we also had a lot of injuries in 2013, 2014, and 2015.
 
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I think you have to love any Vols coach that has the nads to announce I was hired to stop the Gators. I hope he lives up to it too, I dislike Bama but at least they respect tradition and show good sportsmanship usually. With Florida, with me its personal...a victory is a holiday, a loss to them is like my house burned down. Shut em down coach Shoop! For my taste so far he's been a little too conservative because I'd go man to man more and blitz more, but he probably has good reasons for what hes doing.

I know it chaps a few hides around here but Shoop is 1-0 as a Vol coach against the gators. Broke the streak, so before erecting his statue he is also 1-0 against Vandy & SCe each. But that gator win broke them, we get them again this year in the Swamp is my prediction.
 
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We are bigger, better, and stronger in every position except DE. However, Taylor and Kongbo will be very efficient in that area and we will be much better on defense overall.

I have faith, especially in our young LB's and improved DB's.

10-2
 
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Butch said beat Florida! He did ! He didn't say let's play cb at dt and lose our 2 best lb and best corner! People man ! We were so injured and it's not a exscuse , let your transmission go out in your car and then sit around and raise hell bc it won't go anywhere! Same fricken logic that some people use about last year

Guess he also said...Give up 49 points to Bama! Lose to SCar and their high school qb! Lose to Vandy by giving up 400+ yards passing to a guy averaging 165!
 
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We are bigger, better, and stronger in every position except DE. However, Taylor and Kongbo will be very efficient in that area and we will be much better on defense overall.

I have faith, especially in our young LB's and improved DB's.

10-2

How are we better at LB without JRM and at CB without Sutton? Are our DBs improved? No way to know til we know.
 
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I think you have to love any Vols coach that has the nads to announce I was hired to stop the Gators.

Hang on a sec, I just realized:

2015 -- Tenn 27-28 FL
2016 -- Tenn 38-28 FL

Shoop didn't stop the Gators any more than Jancek did.

DeBord, not Shoop, beat the Gators.

So, what again was Coach Scott hired/promoted to do ??

Hey, I really like this new Edit feature !
 
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Hang on a sec, I just realized:

2015 -- Tenn 27-28 FL
2016 -- Tenn 38-28 FL

Shoop didn't stop the Gators any more than Jancek did.

DeBord, not Shoop, beat the Gators.

So, what again was Coach Scott hired/promoted to do ??

Hey, I really like this new Edit feature !

Scott's job is to out score Bama.

Our defense shut the gators down in the 2nd half.
 
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Key word "HEALTHY". If we lose 5 starters on D I'm not sure what Coordinator can come in and stop teams. We have got to stay healthy no matter what.
 
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In the last few years we have been able to score points against almost every team. Even the good ones. Where we have been falling short is on defense. We cannot stop the good teams. We actually lose because of our defense.
Do you think Shoop will live up to the hype that came with him in 2017, or will our defense continue to look like the Key Stone Cops?.
It has been so long since we have had a top notch SEC defense, my hear aches.

we haven't put up any points adjacent Alabama for years, when teams like ole miss and A&M have been. that needs to change this year. i expect to go into Tuscalosa and win this year with the improved O line, QB play, and defense.
 
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How are we better at LB without JRM and at CB without Sutton? Are our DBs improved? No way to know til we know.

We will be better at both positions. Reasons being we have better coaching and more talented players.
 
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Hang on a sec, I just realized:

2015 -- Tenn 27-28 FL
2016 -- Tenn 38-28 FL

Shoop didn't stop the Gators any more than Jancek did.

DeBord, not Shoop, beat the Gators.

So, what again was Coach Scott hired/promoted to do ??

Hey, I really like this new Edit feature !

Sorry, I have to disagree with that. Those 8 straight three and outs, when tn started the second half down 21-3, was the most impressive defense I've seen here in....... I'll have to look it up.

Gator fans belly ache about their offense not throwing the ball down field in the second half. But here is the catch: They couldn't!! Not with Appleby have to take off running as soon as the ball hits his hands. I actually blame Martinez crappy secondary giving up 3 long balls for the 21 points given up in the first half.

some body forgot to tell Shoop that he's got to win the other games too. So he has a lot to prove. So watch your self, that's our sacred Gator beat down, we've waited 11 years for that.
 
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it'd be hype if he came in w/out ever having done anything before.

and i'm not going to say there's ever a reason to give up the rushing yards we did back half of last season.

but purely from a coaching standpoint, the way we lost players, especially up front, all season long, and it trickled in to every level of the defense, i just think some of you are downplaying the impact that has on a much bigger picture than simply dialing up plays.

you go in to every season, every game with a plan agianst a particular offense, you have a roster that you plan on using, rotatins you plan on using, contingencies based on what you have seen from players in games and in practice. you have a sense of what each of these guys strengths and weaknesses are, who plays and communicates well within whatever personnel packages are called for in a given situation. you have contingencies for injuries or gaps that could need to be filled, if the situation calls for it.


we started the season thin at LB (didn't even list a SAM LB for the opener), and it got really thin, really quick, once JRM and DK jr went down. then you lost some depth with Sapp getting hurt for the season (his position on ST had to be addressed too). McDowell also missed time early on. so you're already in a scheme that's not what you wanted (4-2-5), you lose 4 LB's for various lengths of time early in the season, you have a hodge podge of line ups in the seconary past week 2, and then mid point on, the nail in the coffin hits by way of 3 DL disappearing from the roster all together.

i hate injuries as an excuse. but typically that's the case when you lose a guy or two, and you wnat to play the 'what if' game.

that's not what happened here last year.

heck thru the Alabama game, we only started 2 games with the same line up in the secondary.
Opponent- Nickle-CB-FS-SS-CB

AppState- Foreman, Moseley, Abernathy, Kelly, Sutton

V-Tech- Foreman, Moseley, Abernathy, Kelly, Sutton

Ohio- Gaulden, Moseley, Abernathy, Kelly, Sutton

Florida- Gaulden, Moseley, Abernathy, Kelly, Martin

Georgia- Bynum*, Foreman, Abernathy, Kelly, Moseley

TexasA&M- Gaulden, Moseley, Berry, Kelly, Foreman

Alabama- Gaulden, Buchanan, Abernathy, Kelly, Moseley

that's a lot of personnel shuffling having to be done week to week, and to work out all the communication and personnel packages, sometimes not knowing until later in the week who's available to even play, i think as it all accumilated last year, it was a worst case scenario. especially on the DL. we had guys playing out of position just because of needing bodies.

you don't think all of that affects game planning?

it doesn't exucse the performance we saw. i just think it's too convenient to simply say shoop needs to prove he's not just hype.

a lot of things need to improve so this doesn't happen again, no argument. but the root cause is deeper than just saying "shoop can't coach".

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/20/13322306/tennessee-volunteers-injuries-2016

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...-volunteers-total-injuries-2016-season-101816
 
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Scott's job is to out score Bama.

Our defense shut the gators down in the 2nd half.

Yes and no. Our offense took the game over in the second half after the defense got run over the entire first half. Offense came out second half clicking on all cynlinders, scored 35 straight points and the defense fed off the energy in the third quarter, which was by far their best performance all year, not even close. Got a bit shaky in the 4th, but played well then too, only allowed 80 yards or so and 7 points.

But make no mistake, our offense won this game. They played so well that the defense couldn't lose it, which they surely would have, had the offense not been so dominant.
 
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Yes and no. Our offense took the game over in the second half after the defense got run over the entire first half. Offense came out second half clicking on all cynlinders, scored 35 straight points and the defense fed off the energy in the third quarter, which was by far their best performance all year, not even close. Got a bit shaky in the 4th, but played well then too, only allowed 80 yards or so and 7 points.

But make no mistake, our offense won this game. They played so well that the defense couldn't lose it, which they surely would have, had the offense not been so dominant.
i get what you're saying, but down 28-3, the defense had to stop FL cold to give the offense a chance. as a complete mess on both sides of the ball the 1st half was, it was equially fantastic on both sides of the ball in the 2nd.

both units played lights out in the 2nd half. 7 or 8 straight 3 and outs, two turnovers (iirc)....that's studly defensively speaking.
 
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How are we better at LB without JRM and at CB without Sutton? Are our DBs improved? No way to know til we know.

JRM and CB were not big factors last year.

Martin, Kelly, and Moseley will take up the slack and contribute more than Sutton overall. He was hurt too much.

Linebackers will be better as a group than last year. They couldn't be as bad because last year was pathetic. Austin Smith will be all conference level and Bates is much improved and bigger.

Sometimes you don't have to "know" before we know. Sometimes it is evident, thus a "preseason" all-sec and preseason ranking.
 
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JRM and CB were not big factors last year.

Martin, Kelly, and Moseley will take up the slack and contribute more than Sutton overall. He was hurt too much.

Linebackers will be better as a group than last year. They couldn't be as bad because last year was pathetic. Austin Smith will be all conference level and Bates is much improved and bigger.

Sometimes you don't have to "know" before we know. Sometimes it is evident, thus a "preseason" all-sec and preseason ranking.

1. Who replaced JRM and played well at LB last year? We've already seen what our linebacker corps looks like without JRM and it was beyond ugly. Until further notice, until someone steps up and does it, can't say we're gonna be good/better this year imo.

2. I could ask/say the same thing about Sutton as I did JRM. Martin and Moseley were very bad last year at CB....hopefully new DB coach turns them 180 degrees around, but it's a bit naïve imo to just assume that they're automatically better this year and taking up anybody's "slack"...they have to prove it. Kelly is a safety.

3. Again, we had talented 4 star LBs on the roster/field last year and they were collectively very bad without JRM. Smith hasn't had a position, hasn't played a snap at LB yet, who knows what he's gonna contribute? Is Bates better and bigger? Who knows. I certainly agree that it would be virtually impossible for them to be as bad as last year.....but I never dreamed they'd be as bad as they were last year. Gotta be in wait and see mode imho. Talent is supposedly there at linebacker, but the development results have been subpar to say the least.

4. You're free to stick with your faith and belief in what we can't possibly know at this point. Part of being a fan of you wanna go that way. Me? After the last two years, especially last year, I'm gonna need to see it.

5. As far preseason rankings and watch lists, they're normally based on the previous year(s) performances....I don't think we're gonna have anybody on either side of the ball that's gonna be on a preseason all-sec team (maybe DKJr as a 3rd teamer?) and I'm certain the team won't get any preseason love, not after the failures of the last two seasons.
 
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