Shoop gives props to Colton Jumper

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sechamp2012 said:
What a lot fail to mention was Kirkland was out of position and over running plays early but he corrected that as the season went on. Yes Jumper was out of position some but was where he supposed to be most of time he just failed to make some plays and he got some PI's called against him that hurt the team badly.
If we would have started with a easier schedule that progressively got harder I think Kirkland would have started from day 1even though he was a Freshman.
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There was one play by Jumper that stood out to me more than those: it was a goal-line play (maybe the Georgia game). He was in the end zone. He fills the gap, RB runs his way. Jumper stays completely flat-footed, doesn't move until the RB crossed the goal-line. He didn't seem to have 'it.' Had Kirkland been in that gap, he may have guessed wrong or overran the juke, but he would have forced the RB make a move, and he would have given us a chance at the stop.

Jumper may be in position, he may know the position well, he may know the proper techniques. But I don't think the instincts part can always be learned. In live game situations.

With all this being said, I would love to see him improve ten-fold. I just won't believe it for myself until seeing it on the field. The coaches were bragging on him last off-season also. And well. . .
 
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sechamp2012 said:
What a lot fail to mention was Kirkland was out of position and over running plays early but he corrected that as the season went on. Yes Jumper was out of position some but was where he supposed to be most of time he just failed to make some plays and he got some PI's called against him that hurt the team badly.
If we would have started with a easier schedule that progressively got harder I think Kirkland would have started from day 1even though he was a Freshman.
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Yeah but Kirland has the talent to make up for being out of position. Jumper lacks a lot of athletic capability but is a smart player and you can tell he knows the game.
 
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Kristy* said:
There was one play by Jumper that stood out to me more than those: it was a goal-line play (maybe the Georgia game). He was in the end zone. He fills the gap, RB runs his way. Jumper stays completely flat-footed, doesn't move until the RB crossed the goal-line. He didn't seem to have 'it.' Had Kirkland been in that gap, he may have guessed wrong or overran the juke, but he would have forced the RB make a move, and he would have given us a chance at the stop.

Jumper may be in position, he may know the position well, he may know the proper techniques. But I don't think the instincts part can always be learned. In live game situations.

With all this being said, I would love to see him improve ten-fold. I just won't believe it for myself until seeing it on the field. The coaches were bragging on him last off-season also. And well. . .
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Yeah I just remember him just getting blocked and driven out of the hole too many times. He lets the blocker get into him instead of attacking and disrupting. That is all instinct.
 
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walkenvol said:
I don't understand this line of thought. Barnett's strength is his combination of speed/strength that allows him to beat the OT's outside shoulder. Barnett's not a pure speed rusher from the edge, but when he gets an advantage on the OT's outside shoulder he has the power to drive on around him to attack the QB.

IF moved to DT, Barnett would lose the space to beat the edge of the pocket like he does at DE so well. From my perspective, we'd be taking an outstanding DE and making a slightly above average DT (much like when they moved Lenard Little from DE to MLB). Barnett doesn't have the mass to be a pure bull rusher on an OG. He could shoot the gaps possibly or stunt, but IMO his skill set translates much better to DE. JMO, TIFWIW, BLM, MAGA, AARP
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I guess we'll just have to disagree on this. I think he has the speed/strength/tenacity combo to play in the 3 technique effectively in passing situations. It's not super different from playing DE in a 5 technique anyway. It's not like he'd be taking on double teams or he'd have to bull rush. His athleticism will be unlike what most OGs have to face regularly.

In a nascar/rabbit/whatever you wanna call it speed package with more than 2 DEs, we're most likely going to be stunting and/or using twists and blitzes to confuse the offense anyway.

If DT depth is no problem and we're not super deep at DE with guys who can rush from the edge, then I agree. Don't bother sliding him inside. But given our DL predicament, I think it would be silly not to at least give it a shot.
 
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Originally Posted by sechamp2012 View Post
What a lot fail to mention was Kirkland was out of position and over running plays early but he corrected that as the season went on. Yes Jumper was out of position some but was where he supposed to be most of time he just failed to make some plays and he got some PI's called against him that hurt the team badly.
If we would have started with a easier schedule that progressively got harder I think Kirkland would have started from day 1even though he was a Freshman.

Kristy* said:
There was one play by Jumper that stood out to me more than those: ....

Jumper may be in position, he may know the position well, he may know the proper techniques. But I don't think the instincts part can always be learned. In live game situations.

With all this being said, I would love to see him improve ten-fold. I just won't believe it for myself until seeing it on the field. The coaches were bragging on him last off-season also. And well. . .
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Look at this play to the end, beg 34:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLlSokOHLEw

Looks like play was being called to left side of field, per 34:39, and 34:54).

Was this just a great run / Do you think Jumper should have contained this play to the middle / did he allow himself to be moved out of position and/ or were there subsequent missed tackles by others that contributed to this gain? Keep an eye also on JRM / 21 (what if he, and Jumper, had dropped back 1-2 steps first, instead of 2 forward, first?).

Move tape forward, and pause at 37:25.5 (it's not just 1 player).--.

All that to say, I think Shoop has referenced Jumper for a reason, and can take and utilize this type of player to some personal and for team success.
 
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UT-Rex said:
Look at this play to the end, beg 34:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLlSokOHLEw

Looks like play was being called to left side of field, per 34:39, and 34:54).

Was this just a great run / Do you think Jumper should have contained this play to the middle / did he allow himself to be moved out of position and/ or were there subsequent missed tackles by others that contributed to this gain? Keep an eye also on JRM / 21 (what if he, and Jumper, had dropped back 1-2 steps first, instead of 2 forward, first?).

Move tape forward, and pause at 37:25.5 (it's not just 1 player).--.

All that to say, I think Shoop has referenced Jumper for a reason, and can take and utilize this type of player to some personal and for team success.
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In the first play you mentioned, it looked like Jumper was not disciplined, got sucked into a block and left his flat open for a big gain.

In the second play, he looked absolutely lost. Like he had no idea what his assignment was.

He was a liability last year. Thanks for good memories. :)

One thing on both plays as well as throughout the season I can give him props on, he shows a lot of effort, meaning he plays hard, and chases plays after getting beat. So, I give him an 'A' for effort.
 
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Kristy* said:
In the first play you mentioned, it looked like Jumper was not disciplined, got sucked into a block and left his flat open for a big gain.

In the second play, he looked absolutely lost. Like he had no idea what his assignment was.

He was a liability last year. Thanks for good memories. :)

One thing on both plays as well as throughout the season I can give him props on, he shows a lot of effort, meaning he plays hard, and chases plays after getting beat. So, I give him an 'A' for effort.
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Hmm, ok. I see 3 equal missed opp's as 3 missed open field tackles on play 1 (not-CJ related) and 4 other than-CJ defenders within the immed vicinity of receiver on play 2 (CJ I suppose could have also made that tackle solo, as he did make it there from his position). Not trying to rehash, except to show an actual play(s) on tape vs the one referenced from memory.

Watch Shoop improve his ability in addition to his existing efforts.
 
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UT-Rex said:
Hmm, ok. I see 3 equal missed opp's as 3 missed open field tackles on play 1 (not-CJ related) and 4 other than-CJ defenders within the immed vicinity of receiver on play 2 (CJ I suppose could have also made that tackle solo, as he did make it there from his position). Not trying to rehash, except to show an actual play(s) on tape vs the one referenced from memory.

Watch Shoop improve his ability in addition to his existing efforts.
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There were absolutely missed tackles on both plays. But the guys missing the tackles were coming off their assignments to make plays (or miss plays in this case). Had Jumper been in position or made a play, then maybe the guy doesn't get to the secondary in either situation.
 
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Kristy* said:
Had Jumper been in position or made a play,
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Compare Play 1 to this play / pretty much identical (as far as LB play): LB Jarrad Davis's (#40) play on Hurd's td in last yr's FL game (at the 27 points / 2:12:14 mark) -- looks like both gains are result of skilled blocking, and not necessarily that either Davis or Jumper are liabilities or are seemingly always out of position. While I still get your point, I'm leaning on the side of trusting the coaches' instincts.
 
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Not a fan of Colton. I remember a play where he blitzed up the middle untouched for what appeared to be a sure sack. He ended up on the ground. It would be easier to point out what he did right so does anyone remember him actually making a good play?
 
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Mick said:
Not a fan of Colton. I remember a play where he blitzed up the middle untouched for what appeared to be a sure sack. He ended up on the ground. It would be easier to point out what he did right so does anyone remember him actually making a good play?
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You're not alone, certainly. The point is, I'm not sure it's necessarily right to call any of these VOLS a liability in last year's games, considering all factors of each play.

That it's difficult to find any big solo plays in his time on the field does not mean he or any (alone) was a liability. So If you're going to reference another non-specific play from memory, then

Look at the film of the 2nd and 10 DKJr play in the OK game / 12:01 to go in the 2nd qt -- just saying, I'm not sure any of the THEN early season other-than-JRM LB's would have made that tackle (and we didn't give up on DKJr over this sure, but missed, tackle). This is a diff year, and likely Jumper will show some improvement.
 
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UT-Rex said:
You're not alone, certainly. The point is, I'm not sure it's necessarily right to call any of these VOLS a liability in last year's games, considering all factors of each play.

That it's difficult to find any big solo plays in his time on the field does not mean he or any (alone) was a liability. So If you're going to reference another non-specific play from memory, then

Look at the film of the 2nd and 10 DKJr play in the OK game / 12:01 to go in the 2nd qt -- just saying, I'm not sure any of the THEN early season other-than-JRM LB's would have made that tackle (and we didn't give up on DKJr over this sure, but missed, tackle). This is a diff year, and likely Jumper will show some improvement.
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I would love to change my opinion on him but right now I do not have confidence in his abilities to diagnose a play and get in position to make a play.

With the help of Shoop, Colton may turn into an adequate backup. That's the best I can hope for. Jancek was our biggest liability last year IMO.
 
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UT-Rex said:
You're not alone, certainly. The point is, I'm not sure it's necessarily right to call any of these VOLS a liability in last year's games, considering all factors of each play.

That it's difficult to find any big solo plays in his time on the field does not mean he or any (alone) was a liability. So If you're going to reference another non-specific play from memory, then

Look at the film of the 2nd and 10 DKJr play in the OK game / 12:01 to go in the 2nd qt -- just saying, I'm not sure any of the THEN early season other-than-JRM LB's would have made that tackle (and we didn't give up on DKJr over this sure, but missed, tackle). This is a diff year, and likely Jumper will show some improvement.
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OU 6:15 left in 2nd.

Thanks for making me listen to Vern and Gary to try to find it. I think Jalen Meeves Raybin had a nice tackle behind the line of scrimmage lol. Vern does not have a clue what is going on during any game he does. I always listen to radio when CBS does a UT game.
 
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Mick said:
OU 6:15 left in 2nd.
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Yep, Bad tackling, and how many X's did Mayfield escape the clutches of others that game? + that escape resulted in only a 5 yrd gain whereas on the subsequent play, 2 DE's jumped off-sides, resulting in a free 1st down. It's not necessarily single events and single players. Clearly he needs to attack the ball better this year if he plays, and Shoop seemed to be saying he's seeing improvement.
 
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UT-Rex said:
Yep, Bad tackling, and how many X's did Mayfield escape the clutches of others that game? + that escape resulted in only a 5 yrd gain whereas on the subsequent play, 2 DE's jumped off-sides, resulting in a free 1st down. It's not necessarily single events and single players. Clearly he needs to attack the ball better this year if he plays, and Shoop seemed to be saying he's seeing improvement.
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The next play would have been 3rd and 15 had he made the sack and we could have jumped off sides on 2 consecutive plays and it would have been 3rd and 5. He was in position to make a play and didn't. Had he made the play it is very possible we go into half with a 17 point lead and we could say he made a great play.

By no means is the point you are trying to make wasted on me. It's a team effort but if our D was an 11 link chain, he was the weakest link IMO. Mayfield is slippery though.
 
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Look I think the DC hire was fantastic but I am having a hard time with this gigantic improvement for Jumper. Last year I have never seen a mlb get punished the way he did. I mean he peddled backwards more than anyone I ever saw as a mlb. Maybe miracles do happen.
 
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Mick said:
Not a fan of Colton. I remember a play where he blitzed up the middle untouched for what appeared to be a sure sack. He ended up on the ground. It would be easier to point out what he did right so does anyone remember him actually making a good play?
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How does one tell a good play for certain?

Cutcliffe told me of a QB who threw a TD pass but he got a negative point from Cut because pass went to the wrong player..
 
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Fingers said:
Said in addition to Reeves-Maybin and Kirkland, Colton Jumper at Mike LB and Sapp/McDowell at Will LB have started to separate themselves.

Shoops phrase today was "hunt the ball".

He mentioned Barnett (referred to him as "my enforcer") playing inside as well as possibly Kongbo and Mixon.
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Please God.... Not this! Nothing against the kid- I'm sure he's a great leader and already knows that playbook backwards and forwards- but he has almost no lateral quickness to hang with our competition. What's the point of putting him in if he can't make the plays in the middle?
 
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