Shaun King.

#78
#78
A couple of things...

1) RR is a big time coach and has been courted everyone from Alabama and Michigan which are elite programs. He played in 4 consecutive New Years Day bowls when he left for Michigan and only USC can match that record during that time.

2) The SEC bias is a little strong in here. No one respects the superiority of the SEC more than me, but the 98 Southern Miss defense was loaded. Adalius Thomas, DeQuincy Scott, Patrick Surtain, TJ Slaughter, Daleroy Stewart and John Nix are were all NFL players.

3) Tulane 98 was (I believe) one of the 20 highest scoring offenses of all-time in D-1A college football. The idea that it is some insult to Tennessee to suggest that Tulane would have been able to put points on the board is not legitimate.

I am quite certain that Oklahoma was similarly as confidant going up against Boise State and Georgia was as confidant going up against West Virginia or as Alabama was last season vs Utah. underdogs do win, and Tulane 98 was as good as any of those teams.
 
#79
#79
CMonster said:
2) The SEC bias is a little strong in here. No one respects the superiority of the SEC more than me, but the 98 Southern Miss defense was loaded. Adalius Thomas, DeQuincy Scott, Patrick Surtain, TJ Slaughter, Daleroy Stewart and John Nix are were all NFL players.
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We had 2 futre Pro-Bowlers and too many NFLers to even list on our defense. As many total Pro Bowl appearance as USM had NFLers, LOL.
 
#81
#81
CMonster said:
But this is not Kentucky, its a Rich Rodriguez coached offense. There is no doubt that RR is, 10 years later, considered one of the top offensive coaches in college football.

And for as superior as Tennessees DL was in 98, Rodriguez spread offense would have neutralized it.

Tennesees 98 defense was not as good as Southern Miss defense in 98 or Brigham Youngs 98 defense and Tulane scored plenty on them.
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Go troll somewhere else. If you sincerely believe this then you have no business talking football on anybody's board.
 
#82
#82
The Dude said:
We had 2 futre Pro-Bowlers and too many NFLers to even list on our defense. As many total Pro Bowl appearance as USM had NFLers, LOL.
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Al Wilson and Shaun Ellis are even with Thomas and Surtain on pro bowls and otherwise the teams had about the same number of defenders in the NFL.

I am hardly trolling.
 
#83
#83
Guys....I know that we all want to defend Tennessee against all manners of insults and put downs but arguing against this one man's comment or anyone who suggests that he may have a point, is as pointless as Shaun King's pro football career.
 
#84
#84
Crew said:
Guys....I know that we all want to defend Tennessee against all manners of insults and put downs but arguing against this one man's comment or anyone who suggests that he may have a point, is as pointless as Shaun King's pro football career.
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Excellent, but to be fair no Tennessee QB other than Peyton Manning has had a better NFL career than King.
 
#85
#85
CMonster said:
A couple of things...

1) RR is a big time coach and has been courted everyone from Alabama and Michigan which are elite programs. He played in 4 consecutive New Years Day bowls when he left for Michigan and only USC can match that record during that time.

2) The SEC bias is a little strong in here. No one respects the superiority of the SEC more than me, but the 98 Southern Miss defense was loaded. Adalius Thomas, DeQuincy Scott, Patrick Surtain, TJ Slaughter, Daleroy Stewart and John Nix are were all NFL players.

3) Tulane 98 was (I believe) one of the 20 highest scoring offenses of all-time in D-1A college football. The idea that it is some insult to Tennessee to suggest that Tulane would have been able to put points on the board is not legitimate.

I am quite certain that Oklahoma was similarly as confidant going up against Boise State and Georgia was as confidant going up against West Virginia or as Alabama was last season vs Utah. underdogs do win, and Tulane 98 was as good as any of those teams.
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1. You're talking way more about your OC than your HC. That tells me something.

2. Surtain wasn't there in 98. Scott and Stewart went undrafted/6th round in 2002, meaning they were freshman in 98 and likely didn't contribute too much. Slaughter and Nix didn't do much in the NFL. Not sure how this one "good defense" you played all year means your team would beat UT.

3. Tulane was not as good as that WV team, maybe Utah. UT was better than UGA and Oklahoma.
 
#86
#86
19 times out of 20, UT would have beat Tulane that year. We were too damn good. Period. FSU was the correct team for us to play in the NC.
 
#87
#87
Who is this CMonster A$$ClOWN on here..Are you Shaun Kings Boyfriend. Why is this even a forum. He didn't say southern Miss and BYU had a better defense then UT in 98 did he....what a minute, who put you up to this . This must be a joke.You said Tulane..Right?????thats just laughable.
 
#88
#88
CMonster said:
But this is not Kentucky, its a Rich Rodriguez coached offense. There is no doubt that RR is, 10 years later, considered one of the top offensive coaches in college football.

And for as superior as Tennessees DL was in 98, Rodriguez spread offense would have neutralized it.

Tennesees 98 defense was not as good as Southern Miss defense in 98 or Brigham Youngs 98 defense and Tulane scored plenty on them.
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REALLY???...Come on now!!!
 
#89
#89
Tulane finished seventh in the final Associated Press poll, its highest ranking ever. It's a shame the Green Wave didn't get a shot in one of the BCS games. Tennessee beat Florida State for the BCS title that season, finishing undefeated.

I asked Rodriguez after the Liberty Bowl if he'd like a shot at Tennessee or Florida State.

"No, not really, " he replied. "I'd like to finish undefeated."

I was at the Senior Bowl in Mobile a month later, as were several Tennessee players and King. It was clear that the Vols had superior speed and athleticism compared with Tulane.

Hey , i Found this interesting, up above, few lines from a story from the Tulane Beat recalling Tulane 1998 season. What, CMonster, do you think Rodriguez's statements meant when asked about a shot at playin against the vols or Seminoles.....YOUR COACH LIVES IN REALITY, YOU DO NOT...SUCKS DOESNT IT..well keep thinking what might have been and we will keep our crystal football shined up for you if you want to stop by and see one.
 
#90
#90
Tennessee Future NFLer's:

Al Wilson
Raynoch Thompson
Jamal Lewis
Peerless Price
Cedrick Wilson
David Martin
Shaun Ellis
Tee Martin
Travis Henry
Travis Stephens
Dwayne Goodrich
Shawn Bryson
Darwin Walker
Eric Westmoreland
Deon Grant

Tennessee would have rolled Tulane easily.
 
#91
#91
CMonster said:
Al Wilson and Shaun Ellis are even with Thomas and Surtain on pro bowls and otherwise the teams had about the same number of defenders in the NFL.

I am hardly trolling.
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How about your original argument, number of NFLers? Not even close.
 
#92
#92
CMonster said:
But this is not Kentucky, its a Rich Rodriguez coached offense. There is no doubt that RR is, 10 years later, considered one of the top offensive coaches in college football.

And for as superior as Tennessees DL was in 98, Rodriguez spread offense would have neutralized it.

Tennesees 98 defense was not as good as Southern Miss defense in 98 or Brigham Youngs 98 defense and Tulane scored plenty on them.
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Tulane should just stick to... Oh yeah, they're not good at anything. I think Wofford had a lot of wins last year, maybe they could have beaten UF.
 
#93
#93
yont sum iss? said:
Tulane should just stick to... Oh yeah, they're not good at anything. I think Wofford had a lot of wins last year, maybe they could have beaten UF.
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Go easy on my alma mater...we didn't talk any trash here (but we did scare the piss out of Spurrier and co).

Seriously though...the Furman and Citadel defenses that we beat last year were every bit as good as Southern Cal's. Wofford should've had a shot at them in the Rose Bowl...silly classifications keep robbing us of that chance.
 
#94
#94
lowcountryVOL said:
Go easy on my alma mater...we didn't talk any trash here (but we did scare the piss out of Spurrier and co).

Seriously though...the Furman and Citadel defenses that we beat last year were every bit as good as Southern Cal's. Wofford should've had a shot at them in the Rose Bowl...silly classifications keep robbing us of that chance.
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Sorry man. I've got respect for Wofford...good program.
 
#96
#96
CMonster said:
A couple of things...

1) RR is a big time coach and has been courted everyone from Alabama and Michigan which are elite programs. He played in 4 consecutive New Years Day bowls when he left for Michigan and only USC can match that record during that time.
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I'm well aware of Rich Rodriguez's credentials... I saw my fair share of WVU football games under him, and while the novelty of New Years day bowl games is cute... in 04 the Gator Bowl was about as valid as the Peach Bowl when referencing all January bowl games as big time. Without Pat White and Steve Slaton he has been a slightly above average coach.

2) The SEC bias is a little strong in here. No one respects the superiority of the SEC more than me, but the 98 Southern Miss defense was loaded. Adalius Thomas, DeQuincy Scott, Patrick Surtain, TJ Slaughter, Daleroy Stewart and John Nix are were all NFL players.
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I believe someone else already covered the validity of listing all of those players as part of the 98 Southern Miss defense...

The following UT players from the 1998 defense made it to the NFL...

DB Fred White
DB Deon Grant
DL Bill Duff
LB Al Wilson
LB Corey Terry
LB Raynoch Thompson
DE Shaun Ellis
DT Darwin Walker
LB Shane Elam
LB Eric Westmoreland
DE Bernard Jackson
DE Will Overstreet
DT Fred Weary

3) Tulane 98 was (I believe) one of the 20 highest scoring offenses of all-time in D-1A college football. The idea that it is some insult to Tennessee to suggest that Tulane would have been able to put points on the board is not legitimate.
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Tulane would have come in third last year, so I doubt that they are in the top 20 all time... Im sure I could do some research if anyone really wanted to know.

I am quite certain that Oklahoma was similarly as confidant going up against Boise State and Georgia was as confidant going up against West Virginia or as Alabama was last season vs Utah. underdogs do win, and Tulane 98 was as good as any of those teams.
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No argument here, but I'm of the opinion that confidence is generally a good thing. And while Zabransky/King is probably a fine comparison, I don't see an Ian Johnson on Tulane's roster.
 
#98
#98
The '98 Vols are the best team ever:

Ranked #2 all-time by computers
Beat 6 teams that finished ranked, and finished undefeated.
Surrendered like 9 pts per game in the SEC
Tennessee's D didn't give up a 100-yard rusher, not even Shaun Alexander
28 players from roster were drafted, 29 made NFL squads
16 of 22 starters made the NFL including:

Tee Martin
Travis Henry **
Jamal Lewis **
Travis Stephens
Shaun Bryson *
Peerless Price *
Cedrick Wilson *
David Martin *
Chad Clifton **
Cosey Coleman *
Shaun Ellis **
Darwin Walker *
Corey Terry
Al Wilson **
Raynoch Thompson *
Eric Westmoreland *
DWayne Goodrich *
Andre Lott
Deon Grant *
Jeff Hall

* NFL Starter
** Pro Bowler

Anything can happen in football, but Shaun King is kidding himself. They would have been 4 TD underdogs.
 
#99
#99
oUTKickedCoverage said:
I'm well aware of Rich Rodriguez's credentials... I saw my fair share of WVU football games under him, and while the novelty of New Years day bowl games is cute... in 04 the Gator Bowl was about as valid as the Peach Bowl when referencing all January bowl games as big time. Without Pat White and Steve Slaton he has been a slightly above average coach.



I believe someone else already covered the validity of listing all of those players as part of the 98 Southern Miss defense...

The following UT players from the 1998 defense made it to the NFL...

DB Fred White
DB Deon Grant
DL Bill Duff
LB Al Wilson
LB Corey Terry
LB Raynoch Thompson
DE Shaun Ellis
DT Darwin Walker
LB Shane Elam
LB Eric Westmoreland
DE Bernard Jackson
DE Will Overstreet
DT Fred Weary



Tulane would have come in third last year, so I doubt that they are in the top 20 all time... Im sure I could do some research if anyone really wanted to know.



No argument here, but I'm of the opinion that confidence is generally a good thing. And while Zabransky/King is probably a fine comparison, I don't see an Ian Johnson on Tulane's roster.
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1) I think you are selling RR pretty short. Sure White/Slaton were a good combo, but RR was at WVU for 7 years and had a 69% win percentage there. That is not "above average" and that Alabama and Michigan both offered him jobs suggests that he carries plenty of weight in coaching circles.

2) At no point have I suggested that Tennessee's 98 defense wasn't talented or didn't have NFL players....Not all of those players were mature contributors and the point was Tulane played a couple of good defenses, not Wofford.

3) Just checked, and Tulane 98 was the 15th highest scoring D-1A team of all time.
Finding the End Zone Compilation Let's acknowledge that this was no fluke or product of a schedule.

4) No King/Zabransky is not a good comparison. King in 98 had about 4100 total yards and 49 touchdowns (and only 6 INTs) and Zabransky did not come close to that, nor did Zabransky come close to being an NFL QB.

And while Ian Johnson was a good college RB (who went undrafted), Tulane 98 had Toney Converse and Jamaican Dartez who combined for 1600 yards and 15 TDs, so they were quite productive on the ground.
 
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